To my understanding it was typical for the young Soviet Union to buy complete plants in industrial fields the did not have yet experience with.
I think Mustafa should stop hemming around and tell us what he really thinks! For those who are satire deficient, that's one of them tongue in cheek statements. I applaud his attitude too. For too long Americans have gotten away w/ their delusions of "exceptionalism", which by itself is harmless and good for a laugh, and has managed to really annoy about 90% of the world. It's the disparaging of other more "primitive" (non western) cultures that is not acceptable, especially to those who happen to be a part of those cultures. The Soviets were able to do a heck of a lot w/ little technology, and that is a fact. As for who they stole the designs from, it was the same people Americans and Japanese stole their designs from. The Germans.
Getting back to the issue for a sec, you couldn't give me a Soviet camera if you held a gun to my head (or a Pinto for that matter, so there are apparently limits to our exceptional technology), but I WOULD pay for a good Soviet lens. I've owned some remarkably great ones. Yes, you do have to deal w/ QC control issues, but if you're willing to work on one, or send one out to be worked on, or plain get lucky, they will reward you w/ great images for little investment. Shoot, at least give the Soviets credit for being able to manufacture, w/ scant resources, some of the better lenses in photography, no matter where the design came from. As a nominal American (being born in the South gives one a different perspective to that moniker), I can say w/ some experience that I would rather shoot some old Soviet lens or other than be stuck w/ an Argus. The only cameras Kodak ever made that were any good were rebranded German Retinas anyway. He who lives in a country that cannot seem to manufacture even one decent camera anymore should not throw stones.
Says the man so proud of his home he doesn't mention it.Quote:
Originally Posted by momus
Allow me to correct that. :D
the Zeiss works lost their documentation when Dresden was torched so the Russians had no more design information than Canon had for their 5cm f/1.8 LTM
the post 1982 lenses will have been derived from Mandlers type IV Summicron