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Formulary/Bud Wilson
01-18-2012, 02:11 PM
We are putting together a special order for Uncoated Baryta paper. 11x14 100 sheet box, and 20x24 50 sheet box.If interested in aquiring full box quantities please PM me for details or phone 406-754-2891 @ Formulary.
We are trying to finalize this order by mid next week Jan 25 or so. We are planning to get extra and repack into smaller package sizes if you don't need full box quantity.
Thanxs
Bud

Bob Carnie
01-18-2012, 04:28 PM
Hopefully not a silly question , but what is the purpose of Uncoated Baryta Paper, what are the applications?

We are putting together a special order for Uncoated Baryta paper. 11x14 100 sheet box, and 20x24 50 sheet box.If interested in aquiring full box quantities please PM me for details or phone 406-754-2891 @ Formulary.
We are trying to finalize this order by mid next week Jan 25 or so. We are planning to get extra and repack into smaller package sizes if you don't need full box quantity.
Thanxs
Bud

Photo Engineer
01-18-2012, 04:42 PM
Bob;

You can coat virtually any alternative process material on it for very high quality results in terms of sharpness and brilliance. Mark Osterman uses it as support for his collodion prints! I use it for my Enlarging and Contact papers.

PE

Bob Carnie
01-18-2012, 04:54 PM
Ron - for example I am interested in making carbon transfer, I like the look of fixed out silver prints as the support as per Sandy Kings brilliant work, am I to assume that this paper is sans the silver emulsion, By the sounds of your uses it is a silver paper?
How do you prep this paper for use ?
I am funny enough walking down the carbon road and am looking for a different support than fixed silver paper but I still want its quality's in the final print.

thanks for your help.

Bob;

You can coat virtually any alternative process material on it for very high quality results in terms of sharpness and brilliance. Mark Osterman uses it as support for his collodion prints! I use it for my Enlarging and Contact papers.

PE

Photo Engineer
01-18-2012, 04:56 PM
This is a non-Silver product that can be coated on directly! No sizing is needed unless you find a reason for one.

PE

anikin
01-18-2012, 05:46 PM
Is is pre-sized with gelatin? I was thinking about using it for Pt/Pd which does not like gelatin AFAIK. And what's the approximate cost for 20x24?

Grainy
01-18-2012, 05:50 PM
Is this paper suited if you want to use liquid emulsion?

Photo Engineer
01-18-2012, 06:29 PM
I have been using Baryta paper (and advocating its use) for coating any gelatin based material and some non-gelatin based materials for several years now. I have coated cyanotypes and others, but Pt/Pd does not work as noted above. Unless - you put on a sizing layer to isolate the gelatin.

Baryta is made up of gelatin mixed with Barium Sulfate coated on DW photograde paper. I have samples of these products and am very very happy with them. I have posted prints in the Emulsion forum.

As for costs? Contact the Formulary. I have no idea what these may cost.

PE

anikin
01-19-2012, 12:32 AM
Thank you Ron! That's good to know.

gmikol
01-21-2012, 01:47 AM
I've PM'ed Bud with some questions about pricing and other stuff but haven't gotten a response, yet.

Does anyone else out there know any of the specifics about this paper?

Composition (i.e. 100% cotton, alpha cellulose, other?)
Thickness/weight
Fluorescent whitening additives?
Is it a one-time order or will there be, e.g. annual, special orders?

--Greg

Bob Carnie
01-21-2012, 08:50 AM
I phoned as well and got little help, I was referred to APUG for information, I think I need to pass this round.


QUOTE=gmikol;1289481]I've PM'ed Bud with some questions about pricing and other stuff but haven't gotten a response, yet.

Does anyone else out there know any of the specifics about this paper?

Composition (i.e. 100% cotton, alpha cellulose, other?)
Thickness/weight
Fluorescent whitening additives?
Is it a one-time order or will there be, e.g. annual, special orders?

--Greg[/QUOTE]

Photo Engineer
01-21-2012, 11:18 AM
It is DW standard paper from Schoeller in Germany IIRC. It is made from high grade wood pulp.

You might call the Formulary and talk to Sherry about the order frequency and other details.

PE

Bob Carnie
01-21-2012, 11:24 AM
That is who I spoke to, she referred me back to APUG without any details.


It is DW standard paper from Schoeller in Germany IIRC. It is made from high grade wood pulp.

You might call the Formulary and talk to Sherry about the order frequency and other details.

PE

Photo Engineer
01-21-2012, 11:30 AM
Well, perhaps you can talk directly to Bud about this. I'll send you a PM.

PE

Bob Carnie
01-21-2012, 11:35 AM
Don't worry Ron,,, I have so much on my plate right now... I am trying many many alt processs and trying to find a support that I can lay down Pt Pd then do a second coat of Carbon.
seems a very difficult combo to use for example.
I really like the highlights of platinum palladium and the shadows of Carbon... I have lots of time to play with this .
There are so many variables and I am trying to find substrates / papers that work with various processes well and this thread peaked my interest.

my pm function is off on APUG,, I can be reached at bob@elevatordigital.ca

thanks Bob

Well, perhaps you can talk directly to Bud about this. I'll send you a PM.

PE

Photo Engineer
01-21-2012, 11:38 AM
The e-mail with my phone number is already sent Bob.

Give me a call.

PE

artonpaper
01-21-2012, 11:55 AM
I've used uncoated baryta for carbon transfer with good results using Bostick & Sullivans tissues. No additional sizing needed. It does resemble regular enlarging paper in look and feel. I have also tried it for Pt/Pd, but never got a perfect print.

T-grain
01-22-2012, 11:02 AM
I have been using Baryta paper (and advocating its use) for coating any gelatin based material and some non-gelatin based materials for several years now. I have coated cyanotypes and others, but Pt/Pd does not work as noted above. Unless - you put on a sizing layer to isolate the gelatin.

Baryta is made up of gelatin mixed with Barium Sulfate coated on DW photograde paper. I have samples of these products and am very very happy with them. I have posted prints in the Emulsion forum.

As for costs? Contact the Formulary. I have no idea what these may cost.

PE

Ron, do you think a PVOH/PVAC overcoat would work with Pt/Pd with such a paper?
Bob, I am also "toying" with the idea to combine Pt/Pd with carbon to get the best of both processes....never done it though. What I wonder most is how it would look like when you have different tones deriving from both emulsions..perhaps like a split-toned print?

Photo Engineer
01-22-2012, 11:13 AM
I have no idea what would mediate between the gelatin and the Pt/Pd coating. I do know that you should be able to harden any subbing layer to prevent it from washing off.

PE

T-grain
01-22-2012, 11:37 AM
I have no idea what would mediate between the gelatin and the Pt/Pd coating. I do know that you should be able to harden any subbing layer to prevent it from washing off.

PE

some time ago, one my colleague working with polymers told me that a suitable hardener for PVOH would be succinic acid anhydride or something analogous (i.e. polycarboxylic acid anhydrides)-but there are also other variants/chemistries to work with