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altair
01-28-2012, 09:55 AM
Quite simply, interesting. I wonder what camera the photographer used, and also what film. It's amazing to see photos of Hitler's time in color. My personal fave is the one of Hitler at a New Year's party. Look at that swirl in the background!

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/newly-discovered-color-photos-inside-hitler-private-home-163857939.html

benjiboy
01-28-2012, 10:18 AM
It was probably either Agfacolour Neu or Agfacolour Ultra transparency films both of which were very slow around 2 or 4 ASA.

altair
01-28-2012, 10:22 AM
2 or 4 ASA? Wow...talk about sloooooow!

Jeff Kubach
01-28-2012, 11:07 AM
Interesting pictures. It doesn't seem right though, he lives in a very nice place and the Jews die in horrble condtions.

Jeff

David Lyga
01-28-2012, 11:12 AM
...and the homosexuals too, Jeff, let's not forget that part. - David Lyga

ColdEye
01-28-2012, 11:49 AM
Add in there gypsys and other "undesirables".

A ton of flash must be used if you want to expose an iso 4 film indoors huh.

railwayman3
01-28-2012, 11:56 AM
I think that the provenance of these pictures was established a few years ago, and that they are now held by Time Life. Possibly some have just been newly released, but color photos of the house itself are very well known, appearing in various contemporary books, and even on sets of postcards (I have a few cards from the time, and some have the description "Agfacolor" in the printing on the reverse).

There is a lot of info about Agfacolor from its first introduction on
http://www.photomemorabilia.co.uk/Colour_Darkroom/Early_Agfa.html.

I recall also a few years ago that pictures from that era taken on Kodachrome were published...I recall a thread (not sure if it was here or on another forum) which queried if this were possible, and it seemed that there was a Kodak lab in Berlin up to the time the US entered WW2.

As David says, it is good that these are preserved and published to remind us of the evils of the time.

chromemax
01-28-2012, 12:04 PM
... and gypsies (Sinti and Roma mostly) and communists and socialists and tradeunionists and priests and... and... It was a so tremendous tragedy that distinctions or rankings are meaningless.

railwayman3
01-28-2012, 12:06 PM
A ton of flash must be used if you want to expose an iso 4 film indoors huh.

The architectural shots of the interiors definitely look like time exposures. Not sure about the two with people...the shadows don't particularly look like flash, but IDK.

Given the big flashbulbs and reflectors of that era (the 1930's bulbs were about the size of a standard light bulb!), it probably wasn't too difficult to use iso 4 film indoors....remembering also that 10ASA Kodachrome was in use up to about 1960 with relatively small bulbs.

alex66
01-28-2012, 12:39 PM
And the disabled and mentally ill, along with race defilers, the evil that man does and never learns from history.

Allen Friday
01-28-2012, 01:10 PM
There is a series on the Military Channel that has footage in color. It's either "World War II in Color" or "The Color of War." One series uses old black and white films that have been colorized and the other uses color shot at the time. Both series are excellent to get a feel for the time. I grew up on black and white images of the war. Seeing it in color shocks the senses the first time.

benjiboy
01-28-2012, 02:26 PM
If Hitler's illegitimate father had kept his mothers name that he was originally christened that was later changed to Hitler he would have probably never come to power in Germany because nobody was going to shout, heil Shicklgruber, it would have been too ridiculous :D

altair
02-18-2012, 10:01 AM
There is a series on the Military Channel that has footage in color. It's either "World War II in Color" or "The Color of War." One series uses old black and white films that have been colorized and the other uses color shot at the time. Both series are excellent to get a feel for the time. I grew up on black and white images of the war. Seeing it in color shocks the senses the first time.

I've seen that one. I think it was the b&w film that was colorized that I watched. The colors look somehow 'false'. Interesting series though.

benjiboy
02-18-2012, 10:56 AM
...and the homosexuals too, Jeff, let's not forget that part. - David Lyga
There was also a large element of homosexuality in the National Socialist movement, party, and the S.S. in general, even in Hitler's personal bodyguard the S.S Begleitkommando it was rife.

pbromaghin
02-18-2012, 12:03 PM
And wounded WWI vets and the aged in nursing homes.

Worker 11811
02-18-2012, 03:10 PM
Hitler's ideology aside, I think there's something more worrisome.

It is that Hitler held himself above the people he governed and even the rest of the world.

When one answers the call to public service, he should remember that he temporarily assumes a LOWER station in life.
There are two active words here: "temporary" and "lower." To work as a government officer, one puts himself under the will of the people. Although there might be times when he is called upon to use his authority to limit the will of the people, this should fall under the realm of Locke's Social Contract. Second the term of service should be temporary so as to prevent any one person from becoming too powerful.

The perks of government are supposed to be there so that the public servant does not have to worry about putting his personal welfare in jeopardy as he does the work of the people. Again, the concept of temporary service should limit a person's access to perks.

The point I'm driving at is that it is clear that Hitler placed himself above all that. He clearly thought it was his right to hold high office and force his will on others. These pictures only reinforce my belief that he was a sick person. Okay, his relationship with Dr. Morell had a lot to do with his sickness at the end but he was a pretty sick individual from the start.

What's more troubling is that this belief in government superiority seems to be continuing in modern times.
I'm not pointing at any particular government or any particular political figure but just look around you and see how many people in government hold themselves above the will of the people instead of servants to it.

That is what I think Hitler's legacy truly is: That one person can take over a government and assume power.
All right, that's not a new concept but what he did do is provide the model for how others can assume power in modern governments.

MDR
02-18-2012, 04:00 PM
It wasn't Hitler alone he had plenty of accomplices most of them even more demented than him Goebbels, Himmler, Göring. Hitler was the face of the NAZIS but not always the man in power. What Hitler clearly shows to me is what humans and masses (propaganda) are able to do and how low civilization can stoop. Genocide is not a german invention and the killings in the third reich were only the first in a series of genocides in the 20th century Pol Pot, Stalin, Papa Dog, Rwanda/Kongo and many more. It's amazing but it seems that humans never learn from the past quiet the contrary in fact.

Fully agree with this point
What's more troubling is that this belief in government superiority seems to be continuing in modern times.
I'm not pointing at any particular government or any particular political figure but just look around you and see how many people in government hold themselves above the will of the people instead of servants to it.

Dominik

Worker 11811
02-18-2012, 10:35 PM
Yes, you're right. Hitler did not act alone but, as the figure head of the Nazi machine, we hold him up as a singular example of the wrongdoings of many people who acted together as a group. I agree that the Nazis were just the vanguard that paved the way for others who came after him.

It just bugs the hell out of me to see somebody who is supposed to be a trustee of the people acting like Hitler did, as if he was better than the people he governed.

This is an attitude that I am afraid is becoming all too common in today's governments. It is an attitude that needs to be stamped out.
Regardless of the country people live in, the party they belong to or the political ideology they hold, I hope that people will consider this thought the next time they vote. If we don't, we might not be able to vote much longer.

I hope these pictures will serve as a reminder to people.

Remember: Politicians are like diapers. They need to be changed often and for the same reason.

L Gebhardt
02-19-2012, 08:49 AM
Genocide is not a german invention and the killings in the third reich were only the first in a series of genocides in the 20th century...

Don't forgot the Armenian genocide in Turkey during the first world war. Just in the 20th century I'd bet there were other genocides before that, some covered up (like Turkey does to this day) or never reported.

MDR
02-19-2012, 09:05 AM
Thanks L. Gebhardt for mentioning the Armenians I just choose the later massacres/genocides to show that we haven't learned a lot since 1945 and of course 1915.

Dominik