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Prof_Pixel
03-28-2012, 06:14 PM
Chemistry is an issue as well.


As with the bring back Polaroid "Impossible Project", hardware might be possible, but chemistry is the real rub.

Christopher Nisperos
03-28-2012, 06:18 PM
Social and financial responsibility knows no boundary by decade. Time has shown over thousands of years, how the rules work. Things are no different now. The 1870's, 1920's and 2000's in the US all fit the same pattern. It takes the same solutions to crawl out of the ditch. Krugman is right. FDR was too.

Young bucks love to blame gray hairs and believe that the rules are different for their younger generation but guess what, they are still the same.

The merger mania, vulture capitalism, incessant tax cuts, spending cuts and pension cuts began right after a certain US presidential election in 1980. The trend has lead directly to our current situation.

The pension problem started by corporations seeking permission to underfund the pensions. Each year they went back and asked for lower and lower limits until they got so deep they flat did not want to pay the money back. They claim duress, then bankruptcy, to eliminate their responsibility and "emerge a fresh, revitalized company".

Kodak is just following the recipe laid out by United Airlines, General Motors and hundreds of others. In the end they will sell off the rights and equipment and it will be up to the buyers to determine if we still get to buy film. Perez and his minions will retire to the Hampton s with the spoils.

Sounds about right to me, Bill. I came in late on this thread (@about #160), so I'm not sure if I'm off-subject or not .... As well, haven't even dropped-in regularly to APUG for quite awhile, so sorry if this post ends up opening a can of worms and becoming an unintentionally cowardly hit-and-run act.. because I might not be back here for awhile to defend my point of view.

You see, to me, the retirement and health care fund "vanishing acts" which have been re-occurring in the U.S. recently (due largely —as Bill Lynch rightly, IMHO, point out— to economic policies implemented by a "certain US president of the 1980s" whom I'll call Bonzo, the Banker's Buddy or BoBaBu, for short) smacks of what the French call, "pompier-pyromane" tactics (pyromaniac AND fireman). Bobabu created the problem in the first place, and now the new generation of bobabu boys are benefitting from the solutions!

I live in France, where the retirement and medical system is largely government controlled (and you can buy supplementary coverage from private companies, of course). The system is certainly not perfect and employers have to pay heavily into it, but you know what? From my point of view (I'm not retired but I do benefit from medical and dental coverage) it's not only "not so bad", but it's damned good: top quality care; reimbursement for medicines; 100% coverage for major illnesses (cancer, etc.). The only big downsides —to me— are the "c'est la vie" attitude of some doctors here (but that's a manageable problem), and the standard issue of long waits, but that's not always. Employers benefit from it, too, from the standpoint that their employees tend to stay quite loyal (similar to EK employee motivation while they mistakenly imagined that their golden year health care benefits would follow them to the end of the trail). Anyway, I'm no expert on the subject, but one thing's for sure about the French system: nobody's retirement payments or health coverage here are going to end just because their past employer went bust!

The point is, these bobabu boys —whose ilk have pulled the rug out from under swell guys like Ron Mowrey at EK and also royally screwed folks at Enron— are the same ones who are yelling and screaming today about the "evils" of the universal health care plan which they have gleefully put in peril at the moment. To me, they have some nerve. Seems they want their cake, eat it too .. get extra icing and ice cream ...and then have their mouth and elsewhere wiped. After which, they want to be paid so that they can begin anew. Bobabu boys... basta!

Can of worms duly opened.

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Shootar401
03-28-2012, 06:30 PM
If they brought back Kodachrome in 120 I'd go in the hole $2K easily without regret. I'd even snatch up some EXR.

Photo Engineer
03-28-2012, 06:36 PM
The Kodak pilot lab machine was 21" wide. IDK if it is still there. Coatings from that machine were labeled FW coatings (you would think that meant Full Width but it did not) and experiments on production machines were called FE (you would think the word "experiment" was buried in that but it apparently was not). Anyhow, there is probably no 21 machine nor is there likely any 11" (J9) machine. I know that some of the single layer coaters are still running, but there is no pilot lab for emulsions in the research building. And, the Manufacturing Assurance Center (MAC) is gone.

PE

wblynch
03-28-2012, 08:25 PM
Thanks for the shout-out Christopher but we've already been 'talked to', so we need to get back on topic. :)

Poisson Du Jour
03-29-2012, 12:46 AM
Interestingly, this APUG thread has been picked up by Kodak Comeback on Facebook.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Kodak-Comeback/216644905094660

Brian C. Miller
03-29-2012, 11:08 AM
If they brought back Kodachrome in 120 I'd go in the hole $2K easily without regret. I'd even snatch up some EXR.

The real question is, would Kodak ever bring back any slide film at all? I honestly don't think so. E6 sold less than B&W film (1% of the consumer film production?), and Kodachrome sold less than E6.

Kodak should just kill off C41, and produce ECN-2/3. Seattle Film Works (now defunct) used it for their stuff, and produced decent prints. I've seen the comparison shots on the Twin Lens Life blog, and the Vision technology is just stunning. Sure, sheet film on a 5mil base would be a touchy to use (would do it with 4x5 but not 8x10), but I'd be delighted with the results.

I don't expect any more major film research to happen. Fuji has a couple of C41 films (Reala, 400H) and a couple of slide films (Provia, Velvia). Kodak has four C41 films (Ektar, Portra 160, 400, 800). I don't even expect any research to happen to move an emulsion from one base to another, i.e., a 35mm emulsion to sheet film.

Ken Nadvornick
03-29-2012, 11:46 AM
Interestingly, this APUG thread has been picked up by Kodak Comeback on Facebook.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Kodak-Comeback/216644905094660

Uh oh... That's scary.

:sick:

Ken

nickrapak
03-29-2012, 01:12 PM
Interestingly, this APUG thread has been picked up by Kodak Comeback on Facebook.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Kodak-Comeback/216644905094660

Just to let everyone know, that's not an official Kodak page, so that doesn't mean anything as to official recognition.

Poisson Du Jour
03-29-2012, 08:49 PM
It may not be the "official" page, but it has the ear of the higher echolons in Kodak; this is obvious from following down threads — hundreds of them.

Christopher Nisperos
03-30-2012, 04:54 PM
Thanks for the shout-out Christopher but we've already been 'talked to', so we need to get back on topic. :)

OK, thanks, Bill... you're a good "topic cop"! Next time I'll try to keep my rant-trap shut before I read the whole thread. (Notice I said, "try"!)

MattKing
04-12-2012, 12:49 PM
For those who wonder what role and influence film retains in the cinema world, I thought this list of movies shot on Kodak film was interesting: http://motion.kodak.com/motion/Customers/Productions/index.htm

Poisson Du Jour
04-13-2012, 12:59 AM
Interesting indeed. Would the consumption of motion picture film on an ongoing basis be enough to stoke the fire and keep Kodak out of strife?

RattyMouse
04-13-2012, 03:02 PM
Interesting indeed. Would the consumption of motion picture film on an ongoing basis be enough to stoke the fire and keep Kodak out of strife?

I believe that motion picture film use is also declining as well.

MattKing
04-13-2012, 03:47 PM
The precipitous decline in the use of motion picture print stock for theatre distribution is probably the single biggest reason that the Kodak bankruptcy proceedings were initiated when they were.

CGW
04-13-2012, 04:32 PM
And still no follow-up or press release on "Project Lazarus" from Kodak? Hmmm.

georg16nik
04-13-2012, 04:56 PM
And still no follow-up or press release on "Project Lazarus" from Kodak? Hmmm.

CGW, yes, no follow-up.
My friend in LA said Ms. Pasterczyk haven't responded to his message.

CGW
04-13-2012, 05:54 PM
CGW, yes, no follow-up.
My friend in LA said Ms. Pasterczyk haven't responded to his message.

Too bad. Not sure what to think now. Either she was misquoted or was just BSing off the record and was taken seriously. Hoping there's some substance to this.

zsas
04-27-2012, 10:57 PM
Some "analog" Kodak news:

Kodak and Samsung Announce Strategic Alliance in Consumer Inkjet Printing

"....Samsung will sell Samsung all-in-one inkjet printers using Kodak's printer and proprietary ink technology."

Samsung is doing pretty good for itself lately and Kodak getting the ink part of the distribution is nice!

PE are those folks that do ink R&D the same folks that work on say dyes and other aspects in film (ie the Ektar engineers, etc.)? Obviously any growth is good for your community, but does this help film in any regard?

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/kodak-and-samsung-announce-strategic-alliance-in-consumer-inkjet-printing-2012-04-26

Zewrak
04-28-2012, 01:56 AM
They never learned that people do not want printers?