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lxdude
05-27-2013, 05:57 PM
I think the lyrics show the insensitivity and different thinking of another time. My mom, a strong civil-rights liberal born in 1923, used to sing the song without a thought.
As stated, "boy" was used to address people doing menial tasks. Bellboy, for example. Before it was romanticized, a cowboy was just a man doing a low-level job that lots of people could do- handling cattle.
But "boy" was also used generally to address black men in much of this country, and is a particularly objectionable term for that reason.

Yet white males in parts of this country still refer to each other as "boy" or "ol' boy" (e.g. "good ol' boy").
So as it is with certain other words, who is saying it and in what context makes considerable difference.

lxdude
05-27-2013, 08:39 PM
And now I can't get that song out of my head!:w00t:

Truzi
05-27-2013, 11:11 PM
Yes, I meant "chewed" instead of "ate."

Although I was born after the time of the song and pejorative term, unfortunately I still see the bigotry today (though not as bad as it was before my time).
However, I was raised to not even consider it an issue - differences between sub-groups were no reason to judge a person. So while I saw prejudice growing up, and understood it, the whole concept was foreign to me.

I also knew the history of shoe-shines, and since young children had filled the role at one time, that is how I interpreted the song. Perhaps because I was thankfully raised in an environment where "boy" was never used in the pejorative (save for a few adults pointing out a teen was not of the age of majority), I only associated the term with young males.



I pointed the lyrics out because it seemed that we were skirting an issue which most did not seem to understand and which should be dropped. Instead, it is being belabored.

Men and boys from minorities both performed menial tasks. And I remember my first visit to Atlanta GA from Pittsburg PA and seeing segregated fountains and rest rooms. I was "rescued" from using the wrong room by a kindly old shoe shine man, next to the door of the "Black Only" mens room. He said "you don't want to go in there, use that one over there" and he pointed for me..

So, shoot me down for being sensitive.

I did read Huck Finn, and have copies of most of Twain. I read them through as a teen and saw people, not skin color even then, so I didn't and don't judge the books.

I might add that in the 50s, my selection of friends crossed lines of race and faith, and because my parents were old fashioned, some were banned from visiting our home.

So, I'm sorry if I made anyone angry for my being sensitive. Most of the stories behind my reactions are better left unsaid here.

PE

I think the progress and example of those who came before us has created a situation where many slurs have lost much of their import - which is good (and reminds me of a Lenny Bruce routine). You are right to remind us, as we still have a long way to go.

My Paternal Grandfather was stationed in Biloxi Mississippi during WWII, and my Grandmother had gone down to be with him at one point - they were both born and raised in Ohio. He told stories of how bigoted and segregated it was down South. Even though they were both prejudiced, they felt ashamed of how blacks were treated in the South. In Mississippi my Grandmother was told she should sit in the front of the buses and theaters. She preferred sitting in the back and was unaware of the segregation before traveling down there. It was foreign to her, despite her own prejudice, that any place would separate people like that.

On the other hand, my Maternal Grandparents (whom I was closer to), and both my parents, couldn't care less what someone was; they only cared who someone was as a person. My Maternal Grandfather had friends of all "races" as a child in the 1920s and 1930s.

lxdude
05-28-2013, 06:31 PM
Too serious for Sirius.

Sirius Glass
05-28-2013, 07:37 PM
Not too serious. When I was ten we were on a trip to Skyline Drive for the Fall Colors. We stopped for gas in Front Royal. In front of the gas station was a new electric cooled water cooler with a sign above it that said "Whites Only". Next to the water cooler was a rusty faucet that was about two feet above the ground. It was labelled "Coloreds". I never forgot that.

lxdude
05-28-2013, 08:53 PM
Yeah, "Separate but Equal" was an odious fallacy the Supreme Court indulged. It was never enforced, and was impossible to guarantee anyway. Your example illustrates that perfectly.

Sometimes I marvel at all the craziness that people accept as normal.

Sirius Glass
05-29-2013, 04:23 PM
lxdude, the Supreme Court was against "Separate but equal." See the Brown vs Board of Ed in 1954.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_v._Board_of_Education

Photo Engineer
05-29-2013, 04:41 PM
Our schools in PA were integrated in the 40s. I never saw a sign of segregation but I did see discrimination.

PE

lxdude
05-29-2013, 05:48 PM
lxdude, the Supreme Court was against "Separate but equal." See the Brown vs Board of Ed in 1954.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_v._Board_of_Education


See Plessy v. Ferguson, 1896.

Photo Engineer
05-29-2013, 06:20 PM
Yes, people tend to forget PvF. It was quite a different time back then.

PE

lxdude
05-29-2013, 06:56 PM
Yeah, "Separate but Equal" was an odious fallacy the Supreme Court indulged. It was never enforced, and was impossible to guarantee anyway.

I should clarify that it was the equal part that was never enforced. The separate part was enforced-savagely in many places. Every inequality on the basis of race was a violation of Plessy v. Ferguson. To my knowledge, there were no prosecutions for violating that part of the law.

But it was a fallacy anyway. That those with power would treat equally those without was a fantasy.

Sirius Glass
05-29-2013, 07:33 PM
Learned something today.

lxdude
06-20-2013, 01:30 AM
Well, the two reletions of the deleted thread have been "deleted". That's OK, because the deleted thread will always find a way to relete.

Photo Engineer
06-20-2013, 10:52 AM
Is that like exgesting and increting?

Sirius Glass
06-20-2013, 03:36 PM
Dueling deletions.

lxdude
06-21-2013, 12:06 AM
The moderators have wielded their power- but the power of The Farce is greater still!

Photo Engineer
06-21-2013, 10:44 AM
Dealing delusions.

Sirius Glass
06-21-2013, 02:15 PM
Deleted delusions

polyglot
09-16-2013, 12:15 AM
Hay guise,

Where can I buy an L-plate for my new Hassleblad?


Edit: I actually had my first ITAH last month. Semi-forgivable since I was wielding an RZ67. Maybe I should buy an L-plate for that one too ;)