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Mainecoonmaniac
05-08-2012, 12:27 PM
This article is somewhat encouraging on the future of film.

http://www.pdnonline.com/features/The-Future-of-Film-5631.shtml

Ian Grant
05-08-2012, 12:38 PM
Thanks for posting that as it conforms what many have been saying for some time and flies in the face of one or two doom and gloom merchants on this website.

Ian

CGW
05-08-2012, 01:03 PM
Thanks for posting that as it conforms what many have been saying for some time and flies in the face of one or two doom and gloom merchants on this website.

Ian

Hardly. The article fairly presents the issues and quotes insiders who pull no punches about the predicaments facing film photography. But it contains no news and isn't exactly bouyant.

Thomas Bertilsson
05-08-2012, 01:12 PM
Hardly. The article fairly presents the issues and quotes insiders who pull no punches about the predicaments facing film photography. But it contains no news and isn't exactly bouyant.

Wow, your response time to these threads is very impressive. ;)

Pioneer
05-08-2012, 01:13 PM
Hardly. The article fairly presents the issues and quotes insiders who pull no punches about the predicaments facing film photography. But it contains no news and isn't exactly bouyant.

It is hard to change a pessimist's mind. Everyone knows that film does not enjoy the huge market share it used to but it is still nice to know that some companies continue to make money producing and selling it. I found the news regarding medium format and large format to be encouraging as I am beginning to find that I enjoy using those formats as well. At least I won't have to put those cameras behind glass cases immediately.

Now, just as I have started to pick on the pessimist, the other shoe drops. If discretionary spending continues to drop off, as some are predicting will continue to happen, I suspect that the true challenges for film producers may only be starting. Hmmm...time to begin learning how to make and develop my own emulsions. :confused:

Moopheus
05-08-2012, 01:32 PM
This was an interesting bit:

"Lomography, a company that manufactures analogue cameras and film, says its worldwide sales doubled in 2011, when the company sold two million rolls of film."

Back in the day, that wouldn't have seemed very much, but in today's shrunken market for roll film, that's not too shabby, esp. since most of that is probably 120.

CGW
05-08-2012, 01:32 PM
It is hard to change a pessimist's mind. Everyone knows that film does not enjoy the huge market share it used to but it is still nice to know that some companies continue to make money producing and selling it. I found the news regarding medium format and large format to be encouraging as I am beginning to find that I enjoy using those formats as well. At least I won't have to put those cameras behind glass cases immediately.

Now, just as I have started to pick on the pessimist, the other shoe drops. If discretionary spending continues to drop off, as some are predicting will continue to happen, I suspect that the true challenges for film producers may only be starting. Hmmm...time to begin learning how to make and develop my own emulsions. :confused:

Realism=pessimism for some around here. Fact is, the good news in the PDN article has to improve and continue to improve over 2-3 years for it to matter to the industry. It's the trend, not the episodic data, that will affect the price and availability of film. That's the take-home message repeated throughout the article--like it or not.

redrockcoulee
05-08-2012, 01:40 PM
Maybe it is that I am not too fast on the uptake but the OP said that the article was somewhat encouraging and CGW replied "hardly". Does this mean that the article is in fact not encouraging at all? I would say that three years of sales increases by at least one company is even more than somewhat encouraging. What would it take to have somewhat encouraging in terms of film sales? Certainly if we are waiting to hear that film sales are at an all time high we will have a very long wait. Is anything less than that discouraging? Even knowing that film sales are not declining is good news and yet that at least some sales are on the increase has to be positive news regardless of how much one is looking for the bad news in regards to film.

CGW
05-08-2012, 02:00 PM
Maybe it is that I am not too fast on the uptake but the OP said that the article was somewhat encouraging and CGW replied "hardly". Does this mean that the article is in fact not encouraging at all? I would say that three years of sales increases by at least one company is even more than somewhat encouraging. What would it take to have somewhat encouraging in terms of film sales? Certainly if we are waiting to hear that film sales are at an all time high we will have a very long wait. Is anything less than that discouraging? Even knowing that film sales are not declining is good news and yet that at least some sales are on the increase has to be positive news regardless of how much one is looking for the bad news in regards to film.

You might reread the article section "The Kodak Conundrum" to get a sense of what concerns me. I'm still looking for reports of Kodak's volume of film sales, not the dollar value which can go up on declining sales if unit prices rise, which they have been. It's all about demand and that's what's troubling Scott DiSabato, the Kodak rep quoted extensively in the article. I'm not looking for bad news but I'm just not seeing as much good news as some here axiomatically do whenever these reports surface. Mud wrestle all you like.

segedi
05-08-2012, 02:14 PM
CGW - your tone, in this and other posts, taints your input. I don't entirely disagree with your opinion, but if you want to it to have any real weight on this forum, perhaps a different delivery style would benefit both you and the group.

Hatchetman
05-08-2012, 02:22 PM
The article essentially compiled a bunch of information we fanatics already knew. I can't say there was much new other than the Lomography numbers. The day Fuji or Kodak comes out with a new film while not axing two more I will be able to breathe easier.

In the meantime, I just bought some Ektachrome 64 on eBay.

guyjr
05-08-2012, 02:53 PM
I would love to see a follow-up with details on Fuji's health wrt E6 film. Kodak, for better or worse, has had much better transparency about its operations than its main competitor. I think it's pretty clear Kodak is committed to keeping film alive, and despite its decision to kill off a few films over the last couple years, they've at least been up front and honest about it. Can't really say the same thing about Fuji, which gives no warning at all before a product suddenly disappears for good.

CGW
05-08-2012, 03:08 PM
CGW - your tone, in this and other posts, taints your input. I don't entirely disagree with your opinion, but if you want to it to have any real weight on this forum, perhaps a different delivery style would benefit both you and the group.

Wasn't aware of a party line in play here nor of your role policing it. Weird.

The PDN article delivers no breaking news for most of us here.

lxdude
05-08-2012, 03:11 PM
Kodak, for better or worse, has had much better transparency about its operations than its main competitor.

Coulda come up with a better choice of words...:(

zsas
05-08-2012, 03:14 PM
It's all lies!!! Sell your stuff now while you can save money [blanksy wanna be]

segedi
05-08-2012, 04:04 PM
The PDN article delivers no breaking news for most of us here.
Then why feel compelled to comment on it?

CGW
05-08-2012, 04:12 PM
Then why feel compelled to comment on it?

Because I can?

MaximusM3
05-08-2012, 04:16 PM
Tiring! Go shoot some, go buy some. Repeat.

CGW
05-08-2012, 04:22 PM
Tiring! Go shoot some, go buy some. Repeat.

Tiresome, indeed. Got some in the mail yesterday. Trying to organize a Toronto APUG shoot for this month now.

jnanian
05-08-2012, 04:30 PM
i agree not much new there --

it is kind of funny that pdn has grabbed this
since probably more than 95% of the commercial shooters
are full bore diggtel, and it is the organ of the commercial photo industry ..



Tiresome, indeed. Got some in the mail yesterday. Trying to organize a Toronto APUG shoot for this month now.

wish i was close to toronto -
sounds like a fun time !