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NB23
08-24-2012, 10:17 AM
I'm entitled to my view.

Kodak's insulted me enough through the years. They didn't care about me (us) until now. And suddenly they do? Eehh

Simonh82
08-24-2012, 10:18 AM
Thanks Colleen, we appreciate any communication. Now back to the important stuff. What is your opinion of Digial dental X-Ray technology? I assume this was the question you woke up thinking about this morning.

Steve Smith
08-24-2012, 10:23 AM
Thanks Colleen, we appreciate any communication. Now back to the important stuff. What is your opinion of Digial dental X-Ray technology? I assume this was the question you woke up thinking about this morning.

The best thing about is is that you can Photoshop in missing teeth or clone out bad or broken teeth. Much cheaper than the traditional methods!


Steve.

zsas
08-24-2012, 10:25 AM
Colleen welcome to APUG! I appreciate your postings and look forward to hearing more from you!

Diapositivo
08-24-2012, 10:28 AM
I'm Colleen Krenzer and I work with the PR agency for Kodak's film and paper business and will try to answer questions people have as this process moves forward.

All the still photography films are part of the sale. When Kodak says commercial films, it means films that are used in things like aerial, industrial and printed circuit boards.

That said, manufacturing on all products continues, including those ones included in the proposed sale.

First of all, thanks for being here.

Second, not directed to Colleen: Ms Krenzer works for a Public Relations agency which at the moment works for Kodak. She or her agency have nothing to do for the bad communication from Kodak in the past. The fact that one person is participating in internet fora to explain what happens is I think a solid testimony that communication from Kodak has now improved. For many, many posts people have complained that there wasn't someone from Kodak participating in fora interacting with final users of the products. Well, at last, we have that someone! Time to rejoice not to grumble about the past.

Third, a question:
Still photography film is part of the sale;
Commercial film is film used in aerial, industrial and printed circuit board, and is not part of the sale;
The question arises: where does motion picture film sits in the picture? Is it part of the sale?

Thanks in advance
Fabrizio

jnanian
08-24-2012, 10:30 AM
Thanks for what? We've been asking questions for at least 10 years with absolutely no communication from kodak. Very simole things such as "why does kodak give erroneous hc110 development times for trix a d plusx", causing hundreds of underdevrloped films and hundreds of lost hours testing and searching the net for a right answer. And that was only a simple question.



all times given for all developers for all films, no matter the brand &c are starting points.
there are countless threads here, and books written on this subject

maybe instead of harassing a PR firm representative about
your problems processing film, you should read a bit on the subject instead.

Thomas Bertilsson
08-24-2012, 10:30 AM
I'm entitled to my view.

Kodak's insulted me enough through the years. They didn't care about me (us) until now. And suddenly they do? Eehh

So you don't like to give someone that's trying to do something good a chance? Like there is no way to redemption. That is sad.

Ken Nadvornick
08-24-2012, 10:30 AM
I'm entitled to my view.

Kodak's insulted me enough through the years. They didn't care about me (us) until now. And suddenly they do? Eehh

Knock it off. This isn't all about you.

I want to hear what Colleen has to say. I'd bet so do a lot of others here. Don't you dare ruin it for the rest of us. You are entitled to hold and express and listen to opinions as you see fit. But only insofar as your behavior does not preclude the rest of us from enjoying and exercising that same freedom.

Ken

Steve Smith
08-24-2012, 10:31 AM
I want to hear what Colleen has to say.

So do I.


Steve.

zsas
08-24-2012, 10:35 AM
Time to rejoice not to grumble about the past
Fabrizio - Well said!

NB23
08-24-2012, 10:56 AM
About me? No.
It's about Ilford and Adox keeping its customers in tune and satisfied. And on the other side there's kodak preparing us all, in a clumzy way, for the worst.

The writing's on the wall and it's clear. And this is kodak's job in action: In 6 months, when the sheep herd will be calmed down, the final announcement will fall. And we'll all be thaking kodak for the great job of keeping us informed. LOL!

NB23
08-24-2012, 11:00 AM
Ok, i'm off this thread now, knowing full well that my opinion is shared by all the people that switched to ilford looong and not so long ago.

This thread made me realize who is really to be thanked. Simon Galley. Good job, dude!
And Mirko. Good job, Dude!

cdkrenzer
08-24-2012, 11:01 AM
Thanks Colleen, we appreciate any communication. Now back to the important stuff. What is your opinion of Digial dental X-Ray technology? I assume this was the question you woke up thinking about this morning.

All - A. I understand the frustration. All I would ask is that you realize that within Kodak, there is a talented, passionate group of people who have worked hard to keep the film business moving forward.

B. I'm going to work with this film team to answer as many of the questions as we can throughout this process. If I can answer a question, I will. If I can't, I will tell you that I can't. I caveat this statement with the fact that I work with a specific business unit and am not privy to what's going on as the corporate level where all of this activity is happening. So more often than not, I probably won't know what's going on.

C. Yes, I have been researching digital dental x-ray technology all morning-fascinating topic.

Ken Nadvornick
08-24-2012, 11:04 AM
Ok, i'm off this thread now, knowing full well that my opinion is shared by all the people that switched to ilford looong and not so long ago.

I switched to Ilford as well, and I DON'T share your opinion.

Ken

cdkrenzer
08-24-2012, 11:05 AM
First of all, thanks for being here.

Second, not directed to Colleen: Ms Krenzer works for a Public Relations agency which at the moment works for Kodak. She or her agency have nothing to do for the bad communication from Kodak in the past. The fact that one person is participating in internet fora to explain what happens is I think a solid testimony that communication from Kodak has now improved. For many, many posts people have complained that there wasn't someone from Kodak participating in fora interacting with final users of the products. Well, at last, we have that someone! Time to rejoice not to grumble about the past.

Third, a question:
Still photography film is part of the sale;
Commercial film is film used in aerial, industrial and printed circuit board, and is not part of the sale;
The question arises: where does motion picture film sits in the picture? Is it part of the sale?

Thanks in advance
Fabrizio

Fabrizio - the motion picture business is NOT part of the sale. And you have the description of the commercial film business correct - those are the heavy duty industrial type usages of film. There was some confusion elsewhere about what constituted "commercial film."

Ken Nadvornick
08-24-2012, 11:11 AM
Hypothetical question, then...

Can the traditional still film business survive on its own without the commercial/motion picture side?

Ken

frotog
08-24-2012, 11:12 AM
Nothing against Colleen as she's just doing her job as a pr person but I'd be highly suspect of any news that kodak leaks about the sale of their film business. In the past when rumors of discontinuance swirled around products that I've relied on my experience is that kodak dissembles the truth for as long as they can.

pbromaghin
08-24-2012, 11:14 AM
Fabrizio - the motion picture business is NOT part of the sale. And you have the description of the commercial film business correct - those are the heavy duty industrial type usages of film. There was some confusion elsewhere about what constituted "commercial film."

Ooooh. I've been wondering this the whole time reading this thread and the one over at RFF. How can this separation be done when both motion and still are created on the same machine? Who gets the machine, the buyer of still, or the keeper of motion? Based on relative volume, I think I know the answer, and it won't mean good things for the people in this forum. We have had it impressed on us by former Kodak employees, just how difficult it has been to replicate a film even at a different Kodak facility, not to mention by a different corporation that will be likely be building its own machines.

railwayman3
08-24-2012, 11:22 AM
I really just wonder why we are spending any more time with Kodak. We have two honest and communicative b&w manufacturers (Ilford and Adox) who appear to be sound businesses and committed to the future. Each offers a good range of products...yes, we'll miss out Tri-x and Plus-x, but surely now is the time to be getting used to the options and supporting these remaining few manufacturers.

(and nothing against Colleen, but she's just a PR person who admits she knows little of corporate policies, so anything she can say at this time is likely "too little, too late". :(

BrianShaw
08-24-2012, 11:26 AM
I really just wonder why we are spending any more time with Kodak.

perhaps because some people still shoot color.