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Henning Serger
09-11-2012, 05:35 PM
Hello,

here is a short report about the current production of the Nikon F6 in Nikon's plant in Sendai:

http://asia.cnet.com/crave/what-goes-on-inside-nikons-sendai-factory-62213402.htm

In autumn 2007 there has been a quite long report about Nikon's Sendai plant in the french photo magazine 'Chasseur d'Image'.
At that time about 200 F6 has been built monthly.
The Sendai plant is capable of producing very small batches. And it is very flexible.
That's necessary because the production numbers of some the digital high-end models has been very low (e.g. from the D2H only 7000 units have been built).
These low production numbers have been caused by the very high prices (only very few photographers could afford a 7000 D3x for example), and the short production periods of these models.Therefore the production systems have to be extremely flexible.
And luckily that is the basis that the F6 still can be produced as a fine niche product.

By the way, I can highly recommend this camera: It's a dream machine, the finest engineering you can imagine. In my opinion the best 35mm SLR ever made.
For years I have dreamt of that camera, and 3 1/2 years ago have fulfilled my dream. And bought a brand new one with MB-40 vertical grip and MV-1 data reader, and additional split image screen.
One of the best decisions I've ever made :).
Now I lust for another one: One body for color, the other for BW :whistling:

Best regards,
Henning

P.S: So far since the introduction in 2004 about 34,130 F6 has been made.The 34,130 serial number is the latest one I heard of from a friend who bought a new one some weeks ago.

Henning Serger
09-17-2012, 12:42 PM
Hello,

two members asked me about further general information concerning the F6.
You may have a look here:

http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/filmcamera/slr/f6/

http://www.nikonlinks.com/equipment_film_f_Series.htm#f6

http://www.nikonf6.net/

Or just ask me if you have more specific / detailed questions.

Best regards,
Henning

RidingWaves
09-18-2012, 04:50 AM
Whaat?? I find it very hard to believe that 34,000 F6's have been made. The serial number's don't start at 000000, Nikon's usually go xx0000 and maybe another 0.

RidingWaves
09-18-2012, 04:52 AM
As per the article, 50 a month, but that's probably not Every Single month.

dreamingartemis
09-18-2012, 06:37 AM
I can vouch for Nikon F6, it's a jewel of a machine. Fine-tuned to perfection! But I also have fm3a when I want to go back to being a total newbie and not be spoiled by all the bells and whistle of the Nikon F6

Henning Serger
09-18-2012, 11:38 AM
Whaat?? I find it very hard to believe that 34,000 F6's have been made. The serial number's don't start at 000000, Nikon's usually go xx0000 and maybe another 0.

There have been indeed more than 34,000 F6 made so far.
I've have contacts to several F6 users, and we have compared our serial numbers.
So far we've seen / got reports of F6s with the following serial numbers:

0000099
0000153
0000794
0008926
0027401
0028548
0031467
0033800
0034102
0034130

If you look at both the first and the last number left and right (besides the zeros), they are all different, therefore no coding here. That are the real production numbers.
Most of the cameras have been produced in 2004 - 2007. We've seen brand new F6 in the 27 - 28 thousand serial number range in 2007.
That accorded with the report in "Chasseur d'Image", that in second half of 2007 the monthly production has been 200 units.
And the last serial numbers we've seen in the last two years accord very well with the latest report I've mentioned in my first post, reporting that the current production is 50 units every month.
After the introduction in 2004 and in 2005/06 quite a lot professionals have bought the F6. Mostly portrait / wedding and travel, nature / wildlife photographers (got that info independantly from two distributers and a Nikon rep.).

Best regards,
Henning

RidingWaves
09-18-2012, 02:28 PM
I still call it wrong. 8 years x 12 months = 96 x 200 per month = 19,200. I'm very deep into nikon and live in an area where I get lots of tourist traffic and it still took Years to actually even see one and the local pro store selling consignment has only had 2 F6's in 5 years, and I've seen just about everything go thru that shop (Nikonos RS complete kit in case!).
No way its 34,000...

Henning Serger
09-19-2012, 06:36 AM
I still call it wrong.

O.k., so you are claiming that Nikon is printing misleading fake serial numbers on the cameras.
It would be the first time in Nikon's history......why should they do that??

I have my F6 here, with a + 30 thousand serial number on it.
If I delete the '3', assuming it could be a code number, then only about 1,500 units would have been made until 2009.
If I delete the last number, then only about 3,500 units would have been made until 2009.
If that would have been the case, Nikon would have stopped production years ago because such extremely small numbers are not economical and the production would have been a big loss for them.



8 years x 12 months = 96 x 200 per month = 19,200.

As I've explained above, during the first years much more than 200 units have been produced per month.
Sales volumes of such items are not a linear thing.
It is a normal product lifecycle that after the introduction you have the highest demand and best sales volumes, and then, with increasing market saturation, sales volumes are decreasing and after some years levelling out.
At the F6 introduction there have been a background report about the F6 published in a German photo magazine, explaining the maximum capacity of F6 production which can be run (if the demand is so high) is about 5,000 units monthly. The demand has never been in this region, so Nikon has never exploited this maximum monthly capacity.



I'm very deep into nikon and live in an area where I get lots of tourist traffic and it still took Years to actually even see one and the local pro store selling consignment has only had 2 F6's in 5 years, and I've seen just about everything go thru that shop (Nikonos RS complete kit in case!).
No way its 34,000...

Anecdotic observations are no evidence. In my area there is also lots of tourist traffic, especially from other European countries and Asia.
More than 750,000 Nikon F3 has been produced.
More than 240,000 F4.
More than 828,000 Nikon F80/N80.
More than 1 million Rolleiflex TLRs.

Nevertheless I've never seen either a F3, F4 or F80/N80 at our tourist hotspots. And only one time a Rolleiflex (and that one was not from a tourist, but a native student).
But I would never derive assumptions on production numbers from my observations.

Best regards,
Henning

MFstooges
09-20-2012, 01:03 AM
Anecdotic observations are no evidence. In my area there is also lots of tourist traffic, especially from other European countries and Asia.
More than 750,000 Nikon F3 has been produced.
More than 240,000 F4.
More than 828,000 Nikon F80/N80.
More than 1 million Rolleiflex TLRs.

Nevertheless I've never seen either a F3, F4 or F80/N80 at our tourist hotspots. And only one time a Rolleiflex (and that one was not from a tourist, but a native student).
But I would never derive assumptions on production numbers from my observations.

Best regards,
Henning

And not to mention portion of that F6 numbers stay nicely in the glass cabinet :D

RidingWaves
09-20-2012, 05:51 AM
750,000 F3's make sense, at the height of the 35mm film era. I have 5 of those. 240,000 F4s makes sense as well, I have 4 of those. What's the F5 numbers like? Probably more than the F4. Lots of pros I know and myself still have and shoot that. Out of the at least 65 pro's I know in my area (PJ's, editorial and wedding shooters) the only one who had one F6 was trying to sell it to me. One. How many do you Know of being used? Yours and your friend and ...?

From my understanding about the F6 is that the shutter unit and body casting was designed alongside the D2/D3 era cameras, making it quite easy for nikon to keep producing F6's in small amounts. As in 50 per month...

Even if the production was over 200 per month for the first few years 34,000 still seems very high. A top tier high performance 35mm still camera produced in the digital era at high prices to a dwindling market. Hey I'm glad they still make them, love to get me a couple, but serial numbers aside, not many are out there. Just aren't. I'd be stoked if there were that many around, it increases the chances I can find one! :) Best regards

Henning Serger
09-20-2012, 09:22 AM
What's the F5 numbers like?

AFAIK also in the 250,000 region.



How many do you Know of being used?

Personally I know about 10 using an F6. Lots of F6 shooters in the German Nikon forum, and at least nine have reported about shooting with one in the German aphog forum.
I wouldn't be surprised if the F6 is more popular in Germany and in Japan, compared to the US.



From my understanding about the F6 is that the shutter unit and body casting was designed alongside the D2/D3 era cameras,

Well, the shutter and the AF system of F6 and the D2 series were designed alongside, the bodies show some significant differences.



Even if the production was over 200 per month for the first few years 34,000 still seems very high.

Now in September, Photokina time, exactly eight years ago the F6 was introduced. About 34,000 F6 in eight years compared to about 250,000 F5 sold in eight years, that are not exceptionally high numbers I think, even considering the digital revolution in that time.



There were that many around, it increases the chances I can find one! :) Best regards

You should do, the camera is outstanding :)!

Best regards,
Henning

benjiboy
09-20-2012, 12:37 PM
I had at one time about four years ago considered buying a new F6, but the more I looked at the specification the more I felt it was overkill for my personal type of photography, although it is indeed a wonderful technical achievement.

RidingWaves
09-20-2012, 03:11 PM
Alright! I'll take your word for it. In comparison to the F5 and F4 34,000 does seem a realistic number and low in comparison.
I did manage to shoot a roll with the F6, rattled off a roll in record time, Kodachrome 200 I seem to recall! He offered me the body with the MB-40 for 1200.00 US which was a great price, and the other one I saw was with the MB-40 as well for 1600 so deals abound (at least at that time).

I do think the F6 is more in use in other areas like Germany. At least here in Hawaii most shooters are too taken with the digital.
Best Regards,

Henning Serger
09-25-2012, 01:30 PM
I had at one time about four years ago considered buying a new F6, but the more I looked at the specification the more I felt it was overkill for my personal type of photography, although it is indeed a wonderful technical achievement.

Before I decided to buy the F6, I've also often thought about whether this camera may be indeed overkill.

But quite fast after my purchase and the first films shot with it I knew no, not an overkill at all.
Because it is never an overkill if
- the camera has perfect ergonomics and fits like if it was made specifically for your hands
- the mirror and shutter are both so well dampened that you can shoot at rather long exposure times, getting very sharp images; the mirror and shutter dampening of my other slr's is much worse
- the camera is operating much more silent
- the camera has a perfect viewfinder
- the focusing is much more precise compared to other models, both with AF and MF
- the camera is such a joy to use that you are happy with it, and if you are happy your pictures will be better :cool:

Best regards,
Henning