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rolleiman
04-14-2013, 07:35 AM
Precisa is made by Fuji, unless there is soneone else in Japan making slide film. I have some in my fridge and it's marked "made in Japan." I bought it based on a rumor it was Astia but now word is its more like an amateur version of Provia. I haven't shot any of mine yet.

Are you certain it's made by Fuji?...on my packet it states the origin as being "AgfaPhoto Holding GmbH" produced under license from Agfa-Gavaert, which, I believe was the original Agfa film manufacturing company. It also states "produced for and distributed by Lupus Imaging & Media", another German company. The rest of the info on the film packet is all in German, giving the impression Germany is the source.

AgX
04-14-2013, 07:48 AM
AgfaPhoto is a designation used sparcely by Agfa since the late 90's or so to indicate their Consumer Branch.
However it was not used as brand.

When Agfa sold off that department in 2004 the new entity and its holding company got the name AgfaPhoto.

The life of that production company was only for some months, then it went mysteriously bancrupt. The holding company still exists.
They (or Lupus) sold off remnants out of the film stock (either manufactured by Agfa or Agfaphoto). The AgfaPhoto APX is out of that stock. When their colour film stock ended they rebranded films from other manufacturers.

AgfaPhoto of today is not a manufacturer. Furthermore they license the name AgfaPhoto for different kind of photo-related products.

Agfa (Agfa-Gevaert N.V.) which is still alive and huge and still owner of the brandname AgfaPhoto started a legal case against that rebranding with their name but lost the case.
(This is what "produced under license from Agfa-Gevaert" hints at.)



AgfaPhoto Holding and Lupus Imaging are branding resp. distributing companies, not manufacturers in the proper sense.
Those films may have been converted and packed in Germany, by other companies.

Ricardo Miranda
04-14-2013, 11:57 AM
Are you certain it's made by Fuji?...on my packet it states the origin as being "AgfaPhoto Holding GmbH" produced under license from Agfa-Gavaert, which, I believe was the original Agfa film manufacturing company. It also states "produced for and distributed by Lupus Imaging & Media", another German company. The rest of the info on the film packet is all in German, giving the impression Germany is the source.

If it is fresh film, there should be on the outside of the box "Made in Japan".

Roger
AgfaPhoto CT Precisa 100 has been reported to be an older version of Provia, probably the first version.

AgX
04-14-2013, 01:01 PM
At least in Europe there is no legislation urging an importer to state the land of origin. (There is one in the making for some products, but I don't think any burocrate will think of film...)

railwayman3
04-14-2013, 01:36 PM
If it is fresh film, there should be on the outside of the box "Made in Japan".

Roger
AgfaPhoto CT Precisa 100 has been reported to be an older version of Provia, probably the first version.

The current Precisa which I have says "Made in Japan" on the box. An older empty box (expiry Sept 2009) which I've just found in my desk drawer says "Made in EU" (in very small letters)....this could be Germany or Belgium presumably?)

A couple of years ago I picked up, in Austria, a roll of Agfa Vista color neg, the Lupus Imaging version, which stated "Made in China".

StoneNYC
04-14-2013, 01:56 PM
At least in Europe there is no legislation urging an importer to state the land of origin. (There is one in the making for some products, but I don't think any burocrate will think of film...)

Why at least? You sound as if you're in favor of covering up or not disclosing the country of origin... am I correct? why?

AgX
04-14-2013, 02:03 PM
What I meant with "at least" is: in Europe there is no such regulation, but by ignorance I can't exclude that there is somewhere in the world.
This is an internatiomal forum and it is hard to speak about legal matters with reference to the whole world.
I'm not interested in covering up anything.

MattKing
04-14-2013, 02:04 PM
Why at least? You sound as if you're in favor of covering up or not disclosing the country of origin... am I correct? why?

I took AgX to mean something like: "In Europe (and possibly elsewhere) there is no regulation ...."

Oops - he beat me to it.

AgX
04-14-2013, 02:06 PM
Made in Europe: AgfaPhoto once marketed Ferrania film.

Made in China: I guess that was Kodak film.

railwayman3
04-14-2013, 04:08 PM
Made in Europe: AgfaPhoto once marketed Ferrania film.



Would the ferrania version which AgfaPhoto marketed be a reversal or negative film? (I know that Ferrania produced a variety of own-brand C41 films, but I thought that they hadn't made a reversal film for many years?)

StoneNYC
04-14-2013, 04:14 PM
Gotcha, thanks guys!


~Stone

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Roger Cole
04-14-2013, 06:10 PM
Here's a direct scan of one side of one of these Precisa boxes showing "Made in Japan." Another side has the same wording about AgfaPhoto Holding reported above.

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rolleiman
04-15-2013, 04:02 AM
I've just checkedmy film box again, and it does, in tiny writing, state "Made in Japan". Very confusing I have to admit!.....Why would Fuji manufacture film under another label at a cheaper price, that could possibly rival their own 100asa material?

I hope "cheaper" does not mean "worse"...I should know in a day or so since my first roll's gone off for processing.

perkeleellinen
04-15-2013, 04:05 AM
Why would Fuji manufacture film under another label at a cheaper price, that could possibly rival their own 100asa material?

Not only that, but a comment I read here that claimed it was Sensia asked why Fuji would discontinue a film and then continue to make it for another brand.

polyglot
04-15-2013, 04:54 AM
It may well be a good way of getting rid of warehoused Sensia without diluting the Fuji brand.

Roger Cole
04-15-2013, 05:29 AM
It may well be a good way of getting rid of warehoused Sensia without diluting the Fuji brand.

It could be this, but there can be other reasons. It could even be standard run Provia, sold to the Agfa marketing folks for a price, in large quantities, that makes it a wash for Fuji whether you buy the Fuji brand or the Agfa brand. Packaging and distributing film costs something, and it's possible Agfa can do it, within their markets, for less than Fuji.

Kodak sells, or sold as I understand it will be gone when current supplies are done, Tri-X to Freestyle for sale as Arista Premium, Foma sells them film for sale as EDU Ultra, and in past years Ilford sold them film (and maybe paper? not sure about paper) for sell under their house brand. These arrangements aren't that uncommon.

AgX
04-15-2013, 05:39 AM
Having an outlet for fresh products, often identical to the own branded ones, under a different brand is common in industry in General.

In the photochemical industry one company is believed to have not done so for a long period, whereas another did so on large scale.
But there is also a case as Agfa who for some time used an own brand they got by acquiring another manufacturer, Perutz, to use as a second outlet for their very own production.

Henning Serger
04-15-2013, 06:47 AM
Hello friends,

the facts about the current ("Made in Japan") AgfaPhoto CT Precisa color reversal film:
This film is indeed cut from Provia 100F masterrolls. Fresh stock.
That has been confirmed at last years Photokina by Fujifilm.
It has also been confirmed by Lupus Imaging (the company which is responsible for this film and is distributing it). They told their big clients "we have access to the current Fujifilm professional slide film programme". And the only ISO 100/21 slide film with normal saturation in this segment is Provia 100F.

We've tested this film intensively in the last 18 months, again and again. Under scientific lab conditions in our non-profit test lab, and permanently in the field.
We've also made direct comparison tests with Provia 100F, Sensia 100, Velvia 100 and Elitechrome 100 / E100G.
The results in all tests have always been the same:

- Resolution, sharpness, grain and contrast are completely identical to Provia 100F
- Colors are almost identical to Provia 100F: only some minor (more or less insignificant) differences can be seen, but only in close, direct comparison: This is probably due to the fact that Provia 100F as a professional film has optimal batch to batch consistency, and is cold stored in the distribution chain, whereas AgfaPhoto Precisa as an amateur film is allowed to have more tolerance and the normal distribution of amateur films.
- AgfaPhoto Precisa is definitely not Sensia 100; the color rendition and characteristic curve are different.

We've also talked to other experts who have tested this film in comparison to Sensia and Provia 100F, and all came to the same results we've got.

Summary: You can consider the current AgfaPhoto CT Precisa as the amateur version of current Provia 100F.
Excellent film with outstanding price-performance ratio.
It is easily available in Europe at extremely low prices.

Best regards,
Henning

RattyMouse
04-15-2013, 05:29 PM
Any film available at extremely low prices is a good thing. Especially when it is a transparency film.

Roger Cole
04-15-2013, 06:06 PM
It's not THAT cheap in the US. I paid $37.85 for five rolls with free shipping on eBay. That's $7.57 each. Provia 100 is $7.99 though without the free shipping from B&H.

I wouldn't have bought it if I had known it was Provia. I was hoping for Astia or Sensia. OTOH, I'm not bothering to sell it or anything. I'll shoot it. I would have just spent it on more remaining E100G.