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Jon Goodman
06-21-2013, 12:17 PM
If any of you have old used and unwanted fountain pens, please contact me. I'm not talking about ball point or felt tip pens...I am interested in fountain pens (the kind that are refillable and use real ink and write with a nib tip). The kind that used to occasionally leak in your shirt pocket in school making you look and feel ridiculous because you can't go home until the end of the day. Those kind. If you have some of these and if you have an idea of what you might want for them, please send an APUG message or an email to jon_goodman@yahoo.com

This is for a study I've decided to undertake.

Jon

Fixcinater
06-21-2013, 12:27 PM
I have some but I use them all! Different ink/tips for different uses.

swittmann
06-21-2013, 04:22 PM
Jon, you may want to check fountainpennetwork.com. There are the true enthusiasts :)

I also write with fountain pens; I collect them and inks, too.

Good luck!

Sandra

Jon Goodman
06-21-2013, 06:32 PM
Thanks Sandra,
What I'm looking for is pens that I can study with hopes of improving on the design. Most of what I've seen at that site is much nicer and more expensive than I will need. Essentially I was hoping to find people with pens languishing in a drawer hoping for a new owner. I use ink all the time, too by the way. I particularly like brightly colored ink.
Jon

mervynyan
06-21-2013, 11:44 PM
no other classic design is better than Parker 51, now sells for 1-200 bucks. but you can search some Chinese fountain pens Hero brand. They have mimic some good designs at the populace price. The pupils in school are required to write in fountain pen still.

Bill Burk
06-22-2013, 12:04 AM
I still have the Rapidograph that did that to my shirts in High School... A piston driven by a thumbscrew. The idea is that you plunge all the way out, dip the pen in the ink bottle and spin the screw all the way back, sucking in all that India goodness. When the plunger sealed well, all was good. But man when it leaked you were in trouble.

E. von Hoegh
06-22-2013, 10:34 AM
no other classic design is better than Parker 51, now sells for 1-200 bucks. but you can search some Chinese fountain pens Hero brand. They have mimic some good designs at the populace price. The pupils in school are required to write in fountain pen still.

No sh1t? I found one at a lawn sale for a quarter. Not only does it have a good bladder, I don't think it had ever had ink in it.

Jon Goodman
06-22-2013, 11:09 AM
Yep, it was fun when a pen leaked in your shirt pocket, wasn't it? The best of it was...almost nobody would tell you. You'd have to find out when you went to the men's room. I think the worst leak offender was a Wearever pen I bought at the dime store. I still have it, but cartridges haven't been made since about the time Ike and Tricky Dick were in the White House. I know...you can convert it to what they call an "eyedropper" model, but if it leaked with a cartridge, I'd really be hesitant to see what it would do with a whole barrel full of ink. Probably spit at me from across the room like a cobra.

I use a Parker 51 and a Sheaffer "touchdown" that I've had forever, and I have a couple of common Sheaffer models and some Japanese "Preppy" pens (much better in my mind than anything out of China), but as I said what I'm thinking about is re-imagining the design...not of the Parker 51 or the touchdown or the Rapidograph. Something simpler than that, and possibly even using a renewable material for the nib (bamboo for example or rattan or possibly something else).

We'll see what we see.
Jon

summicron1
06-22-2013, 11:48 AM
renewable material for the nib -- goose quill?

Jon Goodman
06-22-2013, 12:39 PM
Yes, something like a goose quill. But something that wouldn't make me a target for the PETA paint-slingers. That is unless I get to sling paint also. That would be fun.
Jon

Jon Goodman
06-22-2013, 01:33 PM
Somebody asked me what a "Preppy" pen is. You can see them here: http://www.jetpens.com/Platinum-Preppy-Fountain-Pen-05-Medium-Nib-Blue-Black-Ink/pd/4523
For less than $4 these are very good. The ink isn't always my favorite color, but you can refill the cartridges. The purple medium point is great. Trust me on that one. It is more of a magenta than purple and people don't seem to forget if you write them a letter or note using it. If you're curious on what ink would match it, please drop me a note.
Jon

Richard Sintchak (rich815)
06-22-2013, 01:51 PM
I don't have any but here's a nice one:

http://bit.ly/19qEaJS

ambaker
06-22-2013, 10:22 PM
I had one leak in shirt pocket, on the afternoon I had a job interview. Too far from home to go change, so I went anyway.

When I got to the lobby, they told me I had to wear a visitor badge. It covered the stain perfectly, and I got the job. Was told later that they liked how relaxed I seemed, and how cheerful I was. After finding the badge hid the stain, I was a lot less stressed, and a very happy guy.


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Bill Burk
06-23-2013, 08:39 PM
I had one leak in shirt pocket, on the afternoon I had a job interview. Too far from home to go change, so I went anyway.

When I got to the lobby, they told me I had to wear a visitor badge. It covered the stain perfectly, and I got the job. Was told later that they liked how relaxed I seemed, and how cheerful I was. After finding the badge hid the stain, I was a lot less stressed, and a very happy guy.


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You got the job for demonstrating creativity under pressure.

Jon,

I just picked up a fine-point black Pilot V-Pen from a stationary store in Japantown... $4.35 at that shop, looks like the same website with the preppy pen has it and the US "Varsity".

On one hand it's great, crack the shrink wrap and get writing immediately. But it's a disposable pen and I'm sure soon as I get used to it, it'll run out of ink.

Long-term I think a crow's feather would be a better value.

Jon Goodman
06-24-2013, 12:08 AM
Crows aren't a protected species are they? If I could figure out how to use a boat-tailed grackle's feather, I might get some sort of award around here...
Jon

I'll look into the Pilot and the "Varsity". I'm not much for fine points. Me mitts are oversized and a medium tip seems to be the best.
Jon

SamSpade1941
06-24-2013, 02:08 AM
You are delving into what can be an expensive undertaking good fountain pens are not cheap sir. I have a set of Parkers that I inherited from my Grandfather many years ago that still write perfectly after all these years. Kudos.

polyglot
06-24-2013, 09:46 AM
I have a bunch that I use (no you can't have 'em). Surprisingly (?), it's the cheapest one that I like best: the steel-nib Parker Frontier Flighter bought when I started my PhD, though loading it with Aurora makes all the difference. Got a 14k M400 and a couple other "better" pens, but I still prefer the cheap Parker and have put about half a litre of ink through it so far.

Rapidograph and india ink is where it's at for permanently marking negs and prints though. Nothing else has the permanence to match silver.

Intrigued that you intend to "reimagine" the fountain pen since it's a design that has been hammered on pretty hard by a lot of smart people for over a century... Do you have a specific idea and are looking for parts to execute it?

Jon Goodman
06-24-2013, 12:07 PM
Intrigued that you intend to "reimagine" the fountain pen since it's a design that has been hammered on pretty hard by a lot of smart people for over a century... Do you have a specific idea and are looking for parts to execute it?

Yes...I do have some specific ideas and I am looking for parts to study, copy, improve upon, etc. Initially, I'm curious to understand as much as I possibly can before I move ahead. I understand what I'm considering would require a capital outlay and I do understand there's a risk of failure.
Jon

polyglot
06-24-2013, 07:11 PM
At least you don't need crazy-expensive manufacturing processes. Assuming you actually mean improving the pen part and not just making pretty barrels (quite the cottage industry I understand, but I was always bemused that they all seem to sell their pens with the shittiest nibs because presumably the art/craft country-market is insensitive to that), have you looked into 3D printing? The nature of how the material builds up from molten threads naturally leaves a rough surface that I suspect would be good for capillary action in the feed, and I suspect that a capillary feed is the easiest low-tech one to get right - nothing more frustrating than a too-fast or too-slow pen.

I'm not sure if you're into flexible pens, but I'd be very interested to see a calligraphers' flexible nib (one that spreads under pressure for varying line width) that is NOT subject to damage from going that little bit too far, e.g. through a sprung hinge instead of flexible metal. Adjustable spring preload for fancy-pants points.

Jon Goodman
06-24-2013, 10:15 PM
Yes...improving the pen part is the whole idea. 3D printing is a good suggestion and one friend suggested a cad/cam laser cutter could be useful.
Jon