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MattKing
01-04-2014, 08:17 PM
My 616 (same film as 116) camera was intended for 2.5" x 4.5" negatives, so the lens should cover 4" x 5".

My dad gave it to me, freshly refurbished, in 1967. I doubt he paid more than $25.00 for it at the time. Can we use the "cost per year" to determine whether it is cheap enough?:whistling:

StoneNYC
01-04-2014, 09:44 PM
Hi Stone, I'll have to take a picture of the camera I'm using, it's a little similar to that. I used the lens from an old Kodak 3A that I got just for this purpose. The lens is nice but the body was a disaster, so I only paid about $15 for the camera. If I remove one of the B&L rapid rectilinear elements it covers 8x10. My biggest problem is that I keep forgetting to remove the front lens element... now my wife made me a big sticker that says "Take off the lens!!!" and I've made a bunch of nice 8x10 pictures in the last week.

Edited... ( I was thinking of the Kodak 2, not the 2A ... )

Cool, yea I have the 2a, it's the earlier model and only has one element to my understanding (but I can't quite tell, sometimes two together can look like one, anyway shooting my submission tonight, I'm going to compare by using a modern 150mm lens to see how different they are, I hope this one has really interesting characteristics that make it worth the effort. It certainly has more coverage than I could ever have expected (though probably not sharp).

EDIT: the camera itself cost me like $10 on eBay a while back, the seller said it was usable, and when I got it, it had holes in the bellows the size of a pencil, and the front standard was bent at an angle, and it smelled like cigars. But I kept it cause it cost more in shipping to send back! Lol

(Ok enough talking, on to the pictures!)

John_Nikon_F
01-05-2014, 04:48 AM
Hmmm, guess I could join in. My Nikomat bodies both originally cost me about $15 each. The FT2 is already loaded up with a partially finished roll of CHS 25... I could pair it with the $20 28/3.5 Nikkor-H...

-J

StoneNYC
01-05-2014, 07:43 PM
OK!!!! I had to run a control on this... just to know how different it would be, so here is the control.

CONTROL: Graflex Holder Image #5
TOYO45a, Schneider 150mm f/5.6 Symmar-S f/16@1 second.
TMY-2 in Rodinal 1:50

79623

NOW the actual image submission...

Shot with this lens...
79628

Graflex Holder Image #4
TOYO45a, (Kodinar? still confirming) 122mm f7.8 shot at "#2" stop (f/16? still confirming) @ "1 Mississippi".
TMY-2 in Rodinal 1:50 "Tea Time"
79629

If you look at the difference between the two images up close you can see degradation in the edges as far as sharpness, and even at the sharpest part near the top of the kettle, the Schneider does better, however for a lens that was made in the late 1910's for a 116 brownie folder, not 4x5, I'd say it did fairly well.

The second submission I took outside, it was misting and I was in a hurry, I'm fairly certain that the edge falloff is due to the aperture closing down and not simply from the lens being farther from the film plane. I checked the edge and they were all very bright before I stopped down. (but I learned something, to check twice after the aperture is stopped down).

Fidelity/Lisco Holder
TOYO45a, (Kodinar? still confirming) 122mm f7.8 shot at "#4" Stop (f/32? still confirming...) @ 1/25th (assuming the shutter is at all accurate)
HP5+ in Rodinal 1:50 "My stream and Neighbors back yard"

79635

I'm really excited about this lens, it's a lot of fun, and all the LF guys told me it wouldn't work, I can't wait to post this on LFF too.

Dr Croubie
01-05-2014, 07:57 PM
I already know my entry is going to have been shot with my soviet half-frame Agat 18K (http://www.apug.org/forums/forum234/118280-what-hell-did-i-just-buy.html), now I just gotta choose a picture...

adelorenzo
01-06-2014, 12:52 PM
Great stuff Stone and first out of the gate as always. I'm blown away by the images from an old folder lens. Now I really want to get a roll of 127 to try out my old Kodak folder.

I'm pretty stoked by some of the ideas and cameras that people are going to use. Really look forward to seeing the pictures.

Like I said I'm not going to be really fussy about what constitutes cheap. If your beater camera is a Leica or you picked up a Hasselblad at the thrift store then by all means go for it but hopefully people can find some ways to challenge themselves to do more with less. If all you shoot is Portra maybe try some drugstore film or something. I'll really leave it as wide open as possible, mostly I just want to see people have fun and be creative.

Stories and pictures about the camera itself to go along with your entry would be awesome.

NedL
01-06-2014, 03:28 PM
I'm not sure which camera I'll use to make a submission, but maybe I'll upload some pictures of cameras over the next couple months. I guess about 1/2 of the photographs I make are pinhole or paper negatives or from homemade cameras -- and all combinations of those! To me it's almost a separate hobby from making photos with a film camera and printing them under an enlarger. Both are for fun, but there is something more lighthearted and playful about leaving the house with a coffee can pinhole camera compared to going out with the nikon F3. A different frame of mind!

TheToadMen
01-06-2014, 03:50 PM
Hi NedL,
Go for the homemade pinhole camera wit paper negatives in this MSA and save the F3 for the next MSA.
I'll do the same.
Let's play!
Bert from Holland


I'm not sure which camera I'll use to make a submission, but maybe I'll upload some pictures of cameras over the next couple months. I guess about 1/2 of the photographs I make are pinhole or paper negatives or from homemade cameras -- and all combinations of those! To me it's almost a separate hobby from making photos with a film camera and printing them under an enlarger. Both are for fun, but there is something more lighthearted and playful about leaving the house with a coffee can pinhole camera compared to going out with the nikon F3. A different frame of mind!

ckagy
01-06-2014, 06:29 PM
I may try to join in on this one. My mom gave me her old Ansco Sureshot over christmas. Hard to think of a simpler camera than that. Aught to be fun to see what can come out of it!

Pelo78
01-06-2014, 11:37 PM
First post in this tread!

It happened that just a couple of weeks ago I shot this:

79781

Sheet of sun print paper (cyanotype paper) in a recycled USPS cardboard box using a magnifier I found laying around in my apartment as the taking lens. Just 1 hour of exposure time!

Image intensified with hydrogen peroxide

It doesn't get much cheaper than this!

Technically this is a negative but, since the sky is burned in blue, the image works nicely this way!

StoneNYC
01-07-2014, 12:30 AM
First post in this tread!

It happened that just a couple of weeks ago I shot this:

79781

Sheet of sun print paper (cyanotype paper) in a recycled USPS cardboard box using a magnifier I found laying around in my apartment as the taking lens. Just 1 hour of exposure time!

Image intensified with hydrogen peroxide

It doesn't get much cheaper than this!

Technically this is a negative but, since the sky is burned in blue, the image works nicely this way!

Cool image, though the point of the MSA is to shoot something new, not post your past work.

I'm totally unclear of how this image came into being but you obviously know more about chemistry than I do.

Bertus
01-07-2014, 04:26 AM
Tin-plate Cheap Camera Tahbes 1947. Gift. Handling: remove dust and still working! (Ilford FP4)

TheToadMen
01-07-2014, 06:57 AM
Going dutch on three accounts:
- camera made in Holland
- image made in Holland (Erasmus Bridge in Rotterdam?)
- cheap as well.

Fits right into this MSA :whistling:


Tin-plate Cheap Camera Tahbes 1947. Gift. Handling: remove dust and still working! (Ilford FP4)

StoneNYC
01-07-2014, 07:12 AM
Tin-plate Cheap Camera Tahbes 1947. Gift. Handling: remove dust and still working! (Ilford FP4)

Reminds me to shoot an old broken baldinette for fun before I get rid of it

Thomas Bertilsson
01-07-2014, 07:19 AM
I've got a not so old Minolta point & shoot camera that I can employ for this little exercise, and there should be some VERY outdated and expired C41 color film in the shelves somewhere. Loading up.

NedL
01-07-2014, 09:06 AM
First post in this tread!.... Wow, cardboard box, magnifying glass and sunprint paper... resulting in a photograph! I like it.

Paul Glover
01-07-2014, 10:19 AM
I might have a crack at this, just loaded some HP5+ into my mid-1920s Ansco Goodwin #2 (which has a bunch of black electrical tape to help with light sealing and securing the back onto it!)

TheToadMen
01-07-2014, 11:23 AM
Hi Pelo,
Fox Talbot (http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/tlbt/hd_tlbt.htm) and John Herschel (http://www.alternativephotography.com/wp/history/cyanotype-history-john-herschels-invention) will be proud of you!!
Very nice image: the negative looks very positive to me.
And no one will notice if they've never done cyanotype ... :cool:
Bert from Holland

First post in this tread! It happened that just a couple of weeks ago I shot this:
79781
Sheet of sun print paper (cyanotype paper) in a recycled USPS cardboard box using a magnifier I found laying around in my apartment as the taking lens. Just 1 hour of exposure time!
Image intensified with hydrogen peroxide
It doesn't get much cheaper than this!
Technically this is a negative but, since the sky is burned in blue, the image works nicely this way!

VaryaV
01-09-2014, 03:58 PM
Yay! IP polaroid film just arrived. Going to have some fun now!

adelorenzo
01-09-2014, 05:40 PM
Everything so far is AWESOME.

Stone got us out of the gate with large format images shot with an old folder lens.
Pelo, an in-camera cyanotype with a homemade camera? Love it.
Bertus that's a great image and a very cool camera.

To keep things rolling while we wait for more entries here are a few shots of my own from the summer. Taken with a Konica A4 compact ($3 at the thrift store), shot on Kodak Gold 200 purchased and processed at Wal-mart.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5485/9668158149_4a18ae21cc.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/delorenzo/9668158149/)
Hiking in the White Pass (http://www.flickr.com/photos/delorenzo/9668158149/) by Anthony DeLorenzo (http://www.flickr.com/people/delorenzo/), on Flickr

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5516/9668156545_98a71e6d72.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/delorenzo/9668156545/)
Starbuck on a hike to Devil's Punchbowl (http://www.flickr.com/photos/delorenzo/9668156545/) by Anthony DeLorenzo (http://www.flickr.com/people/delorenzo/), on Flickr

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7283/9668159375_5c5a10eeb5.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/delorenzo/9668159375/)
Dewey Creek near Skagway, Alaska (http://www.flickr.com/photos/delorenzo/9668159375/) by Anthony DeLorenzo (http://www.flickr.com/people/delorenzo/), on Flickr


http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5324/9235233115_5e42dcf087.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/delorenzo/9235233115/)
Paul hiking down to an alpine lake (http://www.flickr.com/photos/delorenzo/9235233115/) by Anthony DeLorenzo (http://www.flickr.com/people/delorenzo/), on Flickr

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5462/9235232237_05bdbf9709.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/delorenzo/9235232237/)
Packrafting the upper Wheaton River (http://www.flickr.com/photos/delorenzo/9235232237/) by Anthony DeLorenzo (http://www.flickr.com/people/delorenzo/), on Flickr

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3747/9606329056_6b6e7db428.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/delorenzo/9606329056/)
Carbon Hill (http://www.flickr.com/photos/delorenzo/9606329056/) by Anthony DeLorenzo (http://www.flickr.com/people/delorenzo/), on Flickr