On another thread we were discussing the carbon workshop that Sandy King recently had at the Formulary. A lot of people haven't ever seen a carbon print so I took at few closeups to show the relief. Here they are.

On another thread we were discussing the carbon workshop that Sandy King recently had at the Formulary. A lot of people haven't ever seen a carbon print so I took at few closeups to show the relief. Here they are.

That's fascinating. It looks like an etching.

That looks to be a very beautiful proces, reminds me of what a Photogravure looks like, but much more detailed and with a finer texture. Don't get me started wanting to do carbon! I'm already getting addicted to platinum/palladium

That looks to be a very beautiful proces, reminds me of what a Photogravure looks like, but much more detailed and with a finer texture. Don't get me started wanting to do carbon! I'm already getting addicted to platinum/palladium


I know what you mean. I love Platinum/Palladium also, but carbon has such a charm, its cheaper, is more perminent, and better control of color. The down side is that its more work to get the really high relief (since you need to make your own tissue.) The B&S tissue was nice (I like their Nut colored tissue), but it didn't give the relief of of the "hpme made" tissue.

Sandy also showed us what we called "Poor Man's Palladium" printing - Kallitype toned with a Palliadium toner. We couldn't tell the difference between a toned Kallitype and a true Palladium print (you could use a Platinum toner also - we just wanted the warmer tones). The reason its cheaper is that you only have to tone your "keepers".

I know what you mean. I love Platinum/Palladium also, but carbon has such a charm, its cheaper, is more perminent, and better control of color. The down side is that its more work to get the really high relief (since you need to make your own tissue.) The B&S tissue was nice (I like their Nut colored tissue), but it didn't give the relief of of the "hpme made" tissue.

Sandy also showed us what we called "Poor Man's Palladium" printing - Kallitype toned with a Palliadium toner. We couldn't tell the difference between a toned Kallitype and a true Palladium print (you could use a Platinum toner also - we just wanted the warmer tones). The reason its cheaper is that you only have to tone your "keepers".

Steve,

Thanks for posting the images showing the relief. I had always assumed that it would be impossible to demonstrate the relief with an image on the computer but your solution is really neat.

BTW, with reference to pallaidum toned kallitype, a research conservator at the Getty who attended and spoke at APIS confirmed to me that toning a kallitype with gold, and presumably platinum or palladium as well, results in "replacement" of the silver with the more noble metals, not coating of encapusulation as some have claimed. He further indicated a willinginess to test such prints and when I get back to South Carolina I plan to make a few with different toning times and strengths and send them for testing, which should provide some valid scientific data on such prints.

Sandy

BTW, with reference to pallaidum toned kallitype, a research conservator at the Getty who attended and spoke at APIS confirmed to me that toning a kallitype with gold, and presumably platinum or palladium as well, results in "replacement" of the silver with the more noble metals, not coating of encapusulation as some have claimed. He further indicated a willinginess to test such prints and when I get back to South Carolina I plan to make a few with different toning times and strengths and send them for testing, which should provide some valid scientific data on such prints.

Sandy

interesting sandy. is this in reference to archival information of toned prints?
I read recently that toning Van Dykes (my prefered method) with Pt can increase the archival nature of them immensely. I have a Pt toner kit en route to me so I am interested in these results. look forward to hearing what you find out.

interesting sandy. is this in reference to archival information of toned prints?
I read recently that toning Van Dykes (my prefered method) with Pt can increase the archival nature of them immensely. I have a Pt toner kit en route to me so I am interested in these results. look forward to hearing what you find out.

Yes, this was stated in reference to toning prints with either gold, palladium or platinum. My experience is that toning Van Dyke prints with either of these metals provides the same level of archival stability that is achieved by toning kallitypes.

Sandy

On another thread we were discussing the carbon workshop that Sandy King recently had at the Formulary. A lot of people haven't ever seen a carbon print so I took at few closeups to show the relief. Here they are.
Love your first image. Make me want to get into Carbon.

Love your first image. Make me want to get into Carbon.

Thanks.

I'm sure Sandy and the Formulary would love to run the class next year.

Steve

Steve,

Thanks for posting the images showing the relief. I had always assumed that it would be impossible to demonstrate the relief with an image on the computer but your solution is really neat.

BTW, with reference to pallaidum toned kallitype, a research conservator at the Getty who attended and spoke at APIS confirmed to me that toning a kallitype with gold, and presumably platinum or palladium as well, results in "replacement" of the silver with the more noble metals, not coating of encapusulation as some have claimed. He further indicated a willinginess to test such prints and when I get back to South Carolina I plan to make a few with different toning times and strengths and send them for testing, which should provide some valid scientific data on such prints.

Sandy

Thanks.

Sharon & I are headed back over to the Formulary next month. I plan on working through the process for their enviroment so next year when you teach it there, you'll know how to adjust. I'm also going to work with Bill Troop on a film-dev testing procedure for a book I'm working on (hopefully I have a X-Rite 361T by then so I can do the UV curves also.)

She just wants to print more (she's caught the bug!)

Steve

any tips on the subject?

any tips on the subject?

PM'd you.