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Jeremy
04-05-2006, 11:09 AM
Should the group exchange be limited to Apug Subscribers? This would increase the amount of Subscriber only content and greatly reduce the number of photogs who seem to drop in for the exchange and then disappear without ever sending any prints (has happened twice in the exchange).

Asking for opinions.

Travis Nunn
04-05-2006, 11:18 AM
I think this should be one of the benefits of subscribing. Period.

roteague
04-05-2006, 11:28 AM
I voted yes in this poll. It shows that the participant has some level of commitment to APUG.

Bruce Osgood
04-05-2006, 11:30 AM
I voted YES for all the reasons you mention

avandesande
04-05-2006, 11:42 AM
Someone could start a group exchange that allows anyone. Seems silly to me.

Marc Leest
04-05-2006, 11:49 AM
I voted no since this is on the edge of discrimination.

M.

Dave Parker
04-05-2006, 11:52 AM
I voted no since this is on the edge of discrimination.

M.

There is quite a few things in life that you have to be paid member to participate in the activities, so I don't see how this could be considered discrimination, it would just be one of the perks of being a paid member, and being a paid member would show some commitment.

Just my .02

Dave

avandesande
04-05-2006, 11:55 AM
If I pay for it I want a members only forum with ratings like the classifieds.
I don't think this is right for us to make rules like this for people when it is not sanctioned by the forum owners.


There is quite a few things in life that you have to be paid member to participate in the activities, so I don't see how this could be considered discrimination, it would just be one of the perks of being a paid member, and being a paid member would show some commitment.

Just my .02

Dave

Jeremy
04-05-2006, 11:59 AM
If I pay for it I want a members only forum with ratings like the classifieds.
I don't think this is right for us to make rules like this for people when it is not sanctioned by the forum owners.

Any changes to the group exchange whereby it would require subscription status would not be done without express consent of the forum owner. This was just a poll to drum up opinions.

avandesande
04-05-2006, 12:00 PM
I just think that it would create confusion and hard feelings. I think subscriber perks should be in subscriber only areas.


Any changes to the group exchange whereby it would require subscription status would not be done without express consent of the forum owner. This was just a poll to drum up opinions.

Jeremy
04-05-2006, 12:02 PM
I just think that it would create confusion and hard feelings. I think subscriber perks should be in subscriber only areas.

Ahh, I understand what you mean now. I will have to talk to Sean and see if I could have the forum status changed so only subscribers could view it... this would take care of a lot of confusion, thank you for bringing up the point.

mark
04-05-2006, 12:03 PM
I don't think this is a good idea at all. It would turn off a lot of people. just ban those who crap out.

Dave Parker
04-05-2006, 12:04 PM
I didn't think that the fourm owner was the one that started the exchanges, I always thought these were started and done by the membership? Myself personally, if they signed up and did not follow through, would ban them from future exchanges for a period of time..

Dave

gr82bart
04-05-2006, 12:05 PM
This is going to be a good thread....

Art.

Paul Sorensen
04-05-2006, 12:08 PM
I voted no since this is on the edge of discrimination.

M.
I agree with Dave that this is not discrimination. Anyone who can afford to mail several prints to different parts of the world can afford to pay a few bucks top be a subscriber. Since we are not barring these folks from subscribing, but asking that they subscribe before participating in this particular event, I don't see it as discrimination.

avandesande
04-05-2006, 12:11 PM
I could argue some more for the sake of arguing but I think most of the arguments have been made, guess it is just a matter of waiting for Sean to wake up.


This is going to be a good thread....

Art.

Jeremy
04-05-2006, 12:14 PM
I could argue some more for the sake of arguing but I think most of the arguments have been made, guess it is just a matter of waiting for Sean to wake up.


This idea has not, I repeat HAS NOT been put forth before Sean yet. This was just a poll by the group exchange moderator to gather general opinions. The next exchange is a couple of months away and so I thought I would test the waters and see where people stood. With Sean switching to Apug full-time I felt that anything that adds more subscriber-only content would be a good thing as it hopefully means more influence for people to send $$$. I want to wait a couple of days or weeks for opinions to filter in before any decisions are made.

gr82bart
04-05-2006, 12:29 PM
With Sean switching to Apug full-time I felt that anything that adds more subscriber-only content would be a good thing as it hopefully means more influence for people to send $$$.Jeremy,

I think this is great idea. If it helps Sean increase subscriptions and consequently his full time living, I'm all for it.

It may also help in the other never-to-be-mentioned-for-fear-of-death-plus-it's-just-an-uncool-thing-to-call-someone-who-didn't-honour-their-committment-for-more-than-3-6-9-12-months-after-repeated-reminders area.

I voted YES.

Regards, Art.

donbga
04-05-2006, 12:30 PM
I agree with Dave that this is not discrimination. Anyone who can afford to mail several prints to different parts of the world can afford to pay a few bucks top be a subscriber. Since we are not barring these folks from subscribing, but asking that they subscribe before participating in this particular event, I don't see it as discrimination.
Actually, I think the premise or mission of APUG is *QUITE* discriminitory, but it is non-discriminatory based on an individuals personal attributes, like race or gender.

And as Sean points out paid membership does have it's perks. Whether paying for a subscription to receive those perks is desirable to a non-member has to be determined by them. This is not at all unlike joining other organizations.


My 2 cents,

donbga
04-05-2006, 12:38 PM
I don't think this is a good idea at all. It would turn off a lot of people. just ban those who crap out.

APUG already turns off some people off for various reasons. Having an online organization like this isn't an entitlement and having extra benefits for paying members isn't going to affect the head count by much anyway. Any photography club or organization has membership fees even when the organizers are volunteers. As long as the fees are reasonable and affordable I think people can make a decision based on what they will get.

The practice of photography isn't cheap or free be it digital or analog.