ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology need ULF feedback

[pelerin]

Hi,
One hitherto unmentioned use of the proposed product would be finding all the flaws in the ancient Korona, Folmer etc. holders that are often pressed into service in this field.
Celac.

[df cardwell]

YES !!!! YES !!!!YES !!!! YES !!!! YES !!!!

I shoot portraits in low, quiet light. They are in focus and everything. But today, it's Leica-ville. 1/60@f/2 with 400 film. A waste of time with anything larger.

Delta 3200 in 8x10 and 11x14 means shooting without reciprocity failure, and realistic exposures from 1/4 to 1/50. And that means platinum prints that can be saleable and easy.

Yes, absolutely. Yes. Take off your tie, Simon, and go spool the coating machine. You wouldn't be toying with us, would you ???

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[Michael Kadillak]

Count me in as well. Such a magnificent film speed for ULF is mind boggling and would mean that there would be situations in low light or with some wind that would not be anywhere near off limits. The concept is making me smile very wide.....

I am assuming Sandy that you have already evaluated this film and find its properties suitable for alt processes and Azo?

Cheers!

[Henry Carter]

I am assuming that coating the Delta 3200 emulsion onto a sheet film base will not only open the market to ULF use, but also to more common sheet film sizes as well (4X5, 8X10). All LF shooters could potentially benefit from the availability of a high speed film.

Delta 3200 in 4X5 for hand-held available light shooting sounds wonderful.

Long-live hand-held 4X5 photography!

[Curt]

Delta 400 in 5x7, 8x10, 11x14, 4x10 and in 2x3 ISO 50 please. All emulsions in 5x7.

Did you get the 2x3 in ISO 50?

Anything and everything in 5x7.

Oh yea, Thank you very much!

Curt[COLOR=Navy]

[Robert Hall]

Anyone care to post work from 3200? Any alt process work? (not baiting, just curious!)

[David A. Goldfarb]

Just to keep things in perspective, Delta 3200 is arguably an 800-1000 speed film, so it would be like having a better version of Royal-X Pan, I suppose. I'd certainly try it.

[JBrunner]

I would certainly try Delta 3200 in 8x10. Puny little negs, I know... but if you are considering it for ULF, could some tiny little 8x10's be a byproduct?

[cdholden]

I would certainly try Delta 3200 in 8x10. Puny little negs, I know... but if you are considering it for ULF, could some tiny little 8x10's be a byproduct?

I second (or third or whatever we're at, plus one) that comment. I'd buy a few hundred sheets of 3200 in 8x10 for the freezer. I'd like to see it in 4x5 also since it's just a matter of cutting it down, and in even proportion so there's no waste!
Thanks Simon!

Chris
p.s. I know the call is a sounding board for 3200, but I also join the ranks of those who would like to see something in a 25.

[Sal Santamaura]

I am assuming Sandy that you have already evaluated this film and find its properties suitable for alt processes and Azo?I don't know about alt processes but, for Azo, have a look at Delta 3200's curves here:

http://www.ilfordphoto.com/Webfiles/200613019405339.pdf

They don't seem very compatible to me. Perhaps different developers might straighten them out a bit?

Also, as someone who can see the grain in a 320 TXP contact print on grade 3 Azo (and uses FP4 Plus instead), I'm not sure Delta 3200 wouldn't be worse, especially if one developed it longer to overcome those rolled-off highlights.

[Dave Wooten]

I guess some soul could step up to the plate and print some Delta 3200 120 negs in various processes and post the findings :)

[Michael Kadillak]

I guess some soul could step up to the plate and print some Delta 3200 120 negs in various processes and post the findings :)

You read my mind David. I was thinking about doing the same thing. Problem is I would have to order some. Maybe someone familiar with this emulsion could chime in.

Cheers!

[sanking]

Count me in as well. Such a magnificent film speed for ULF is mind boggling and would mean that there would be situations in low light or with some wind that would not be anywhere near off limits. The concept is making me smile very wide.....

I am assuming Sandy that you have already evaluated this film and find its properties suitable for alt processes and Azo?

Cheers!

Michael,

I have never actually used this film but I did look at its characteristics and curves on the Ilford data sheets. The shape of the characteristic curve as depicted with Ilfotect DD-X and Microphen, which shows a hump in the mid-tones and shouldering in the highlights, would be great for some alt processes (straight-line ones) but not so good for processes with shouldering highlights. However, I would assume that it would be possible to find developers and dilutions to alter the curve to make it more compatible with individual processes.

Sandy

[sanking]

Count me in as well. Such a magnificent film speed for ULF is mind boggling and would mean that there would be situations in low light or with some wind that would not be anywhere near off limits. The concept is making me smile very wide.....

I am assuming Sandy that you have already evaluated this film and find its properties suitable for alt processes and Azo?

Cheers!

Michael,

I have never actually used this film but I did look at its characteristics and curves on the Ilford data sheets. The shape of the characteristic curve as depicted with Ilfotect DD-X and Microphen, which shows a hump in the mid-tones and shouldering in the highlights, would be great for some alt processes (straight-line ones) but not so good for processes with shouldering highlights. However, I would assume that it would be possible to find developers and dilutions to alter the curve to make it more compatible with individual processes.

Sandy

[Ryuji]

However, I would assume that it would be possible to find developers and dilutions to alter the curve to make it more compatible with individual processes.


If you do ULF and there is no worry of grain, it may be. I'd try something like diluted Dektol.

Among reasonably fine grained developers, Delta 3200 (as well as 400) tends to show shoulder in pretty much all I tried (and remember now). It's not like T-MAX 400 or Fuji Acros.

If grain is not a problem, I rather think D3200 may make a beautiful portrait film.

[Tri Tran]

I like the idea but ny concern is how can we fly with 3200 iso? Is there anyway to avoid the airport scan?

[Petzi]

Ask for manual check. The only time this has ever been refused to me despite my insistence was in Budapest.

[eubielicious]

Hi Simon, I certainly would go for Delta 3200 in 4x5 - I have used it and had good results with 120 roll film...

Euan

[Rob Skeoch]

I would rather try Delta 400 in large sheets.

[Michael Kadillak]

While a Delta 3200 may appear on the surface to be a good idea in LF or ULF sizes, a conversation with a knowledgeable photographer reminded me that of the fact that as the ASA of conventional films go beyond about 400, so goes the esthetic qualities with tonal separation that we all so enjoy with LF and ULF cameras. These films serve their unique application of photojournalism or photography under extreme low light conditions but I am fearful that they would be a disaster under "normal" full scale lighting conditions.

If someone has experience to refute this premise, by all means please set me straight.

Cheers!