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Keith Tapscott.
11-15-2006, 03:33 PM
Are the old classic whole-plate format cameras still available?
The reason I ask, is I noticed that J&C are taking orders for Ilford ULF etc and 6.5x8.5 inch sheets were mentioned.:confused:

roy
11-15-2006, 04:22 PM
They still pop up from time to time although I shouldn't think anyone (apart from Gandolfi perhaps) is still making them. I have a couple of half-plate cameras.

Justin Cormack
11-15-2006, 05:38 PM
It would be really nice to know how much of these different formats sell - the J&C list doesnt list half plate (which I would buy) but does list whole plate (and it doesnt seem to be a strictly ULF list as it has 6.5x9cm).

Gandolfi will make them, but you see very few around compared to half plate - I saw a whole plate studio portrait camera for sale in Portobello market a few weeks back, first I have ever seen (no plate holders, listed price a bit expensive), but there are half and quarter plate cameras constantly on ebay in the uk in varying conditions, and in shops.

big_ben_blue
11-15-2006, 09:40 PM
I got three whole plate cameras in my collection. All of them about a hundred years old. Too bad the format died out as the size and ratio is pretty much perfect (a lot more real estate than a 5x7 but not as cumbersome as an 8x10). Biggest problem aside from finding film is finding holder which actual fit (there are dozens of sizes out there).
Well, looks like I have to pay a visit to J&C's site now:D .

Dave Parker
11-15-2006, 10:39 PM
I do a hell of a lot of Whole plate ground screens, so someone has to be using them!

Dave

big_ben_blue
11-15-2006, 10:45 PM
I do a hell of a lot of Whole plate ground screens, so someone has to be using them!

Dave

And I do need a few new ground glasses too :D

Keith Tapscott.
11-16-2006, 05:58 AM
Too bad the format died out as the size and ratio is pretty much perfect (a lot more real estate than a 5x7 but not as cumbersome as an 8x10).

Yes, it is curious why this format became unfashionable, some find the 4:5 ratio a bit too square and the 3:2 ratio a bit too narrow. I like the idea of a format of 4:3 which whole plate is close to and as you say, wouldn`t be as bulky as 8x10. Perhaps a new 8x6 format?:D

Christopher D. Keth
11-16-2006, 08:02 PM
Isn't whole plate that size because it's a golden ratio rectangle?

Oren Grad
11-16-2006, 08:09 PM
Isn't whole plate that size because it's a golden ratio rectangle?

No, the golden ratio is about 1.618. The formats closest to "golden" in that general size range are 5x8, 6x10 and 7x11.

ReallyBigCameras
11-16-2006, 08:18 PM
Isn't whole plate that size because it's a golden ratio rectangle?

Nope. The Golden Ratio = 1.6180339887...

8.5/6.5 = 1.3076923076...

5x8, 7x11 and 12x20 come much closer to the Golden Ratio:

8/5 = 1.60

11/7 = 1.5714285714...

20/12 = 1.666666666...

The Fibonacci sequence converges on the Golden Ratio

0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34...

So, in addition to 5x8, 8x13 and 13x21 would be very, very close to the Golden Ratio:

13/8 = 1.625

21/13 = 1.6153846153...

Of course, 21x34 gets you even closer (as does each successive pair in the Fibonacci sequence):

34/21 = 1.6190476190...

Personally, I kinda like the idea of the 7x11 format. Big enough to yield nice contact prints, but small enough to carry in the field.

Kerry

Donald Miller
11-16-2006, 08:28 PM
It might be fun to see what would happen if I masked off my 8X10 ground glass to 6.25 X 10

Christopher D. Keth
11-16-2006, 08:32 PM
Cool, thanks. I couldn't remember the numbers but someone told me that once. I ahve no clue what format they were thinking of.

Oren Grad
11-16-2006, 09:01 PM
Personally, I kinda like the idea of the 7x11 format. Big enough to yield nice contact prints, but small enough to carry in the field.

One would think. As the otherwise happy owner of a 7x11 Eastman No. 2, which is the most commonly seen model in that format, I regret to report that the design is different from and much heavier than that of the rest of the series. You'd expect it to come in somewhere close to the 8x10, but in fact it weighs about 15 pounds, and is really bulky to boot. It helps that the old holders are very lightweight, but by the time you add a lens and some holders it's a real bear to lug in the field.

If you can find a 7x11 back, it may be worth having an adapter back made for a much lighter 8x10.

That said, it is a lovely format...

Oren Grad
11-16-2006, 09:40 PM
Delayed reaction: Kerry, it would be really cool to see a 7x11 back built or adapted for your ARCA SWISS system - son of Franken-ARCA!

ReallyBigCameras
11-16-2006, 09:48 PM
Delayed reaction: Kerry, it would be really cool to see a 7x11 back built or adapted for your ARCA SWISS system - son of Franken-ARCA!

Oren,

You read my mind. That's exactly what I was thinking - a 7x11 conversion for my ARCA-SWISS. Although, I was thinking of calling it the Bride of Franken-ARCA.

Kerry

photomc
11-16-2006, 10:01 PM
It might be fun to see what would happen if I masked off my 8X10 ground glass to 6.25 X 10

Funny you say that Donald, ever since you first mentioned it some time ago the idea has stuck with me. Been thinking about making a spliter board to fit the 8x10 Korona so that I could make 6.25 x10 and now thinking about another to make 5x8 with as well. 2 5x8's on a sheet of 8x10 would be fun, just like 2 4x10's were. Will have to stop by and pick up some hobby board for this weekend. The 4x10 was not hard to make, so 1 for 5x8 and another for the 6.25x10 and then ....

For some reason the 8x10 just never felt right to me format wise...love the old Korona, the old lens, etc...just not the format. 5x7 on the other hand is just so sweet..love the format....go figure.

Bill Mitchell
11-17-2006, 09:50 PM
The first commercial photographic act that I will commit after hitting the lottery, is to call Gandolfi and have them make me a new full-plate camera and a dozen DDs for film.

Keith Tapscott.
11-18-2006, 05:10 AM
The first commercial photographic act that I will commit after hitting the lottery, is to call Gandolfi and have them make me a new full-plate camera and a dozen DDs for film.
Buy two and we`ll have one each.:D :D

Ole
11-18-2006, 07:17 AM
If you want to try the same proportions (roughly) as full-plate, get a 18x24cm film holder and a pack of film. The holders are the same size as 8x10" holders, indeed it's the "continental" version of the same. Just like 9x12cm and 4x5" the holders are the same, but the film proportions are very different.

Jeremy
11-18-2006, 12:02 PM
Buy two and we`ll have one each.:D :D

*cough*buy three*cough*cough* :D