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uraniumnitrate
12-22-2006, 09:05 AM
Well, I understand that J&C won't accept orders for the next run of ULF Ilford film after Jan 15th, 2007. Is this my only option to get 14x17 HP5 or HP4 shipped to continental Europe or there is some source in Europe as well for this run?

Any alternative to Ilford in Continental Europe? Efke/Adox and Bergger, that's it? And what is your preferred source for them? I am only interested in 14x17.

Thanks a million.

Marco

You may try this.

http://www.mamutphoto.com/forum/index.php?topic=366.0

mammolo
12-27-2006, 05:28 PM
Thanks a million for the link. I will certainly keep it in mind.

Best

Marco

bherg
01-05-2007, 11:20 AM
Hello apug-world.

Any new news on the Ulf-films? have any of the european distros been informed? have any choose to stock?

The choice of format i choose, i base upon the avalability of film.

Cheers Johannes

uraniumnitrate
01-06-2007, 04:56 AM
Hello apug-world.

Any new news on the Ulf-films? have any of the european distros been informed? have any choose to stock?

The choice of format i choose, i base upon the avalability of film.

Cheers Johannes

I really donít understand you at all! Buy a camera based on film availability? You can buy a 135 mm, 120, 4x5 or 8x10 and there is no problem at all to get films! I mean Ilford because that is what you want
The higher you go the more difficult is to get films but itís not impossible! (However itís not likely to be Ilford) To be an ULF photographer is not like going down to your local shop and buying 25 sheets! Forget it!
There are all sizes available from different manufacturers but to be an ULF man requires planning ahead and some money! This means buying large quantities and stores it those in your fridge frozen until using it and see to it that you have some money to a new order at the time you open your last box!
Letís say that Kodak push out some unusual ULF films it would be sold out within days or so! The most reliable source in Europe is this guy http://www.mamutphoto.com/forum/index.php?topic=366.0 however he is selling Forte under the name of Europan and at least he is not lying about it but, he will take your money in advance and fix everything within two or three weeks. No neon signs or anything like that but deliver factory fresh film. This is hard to beat.
In my opinion the most common sizes are 11x14 and 7x17 and it's probobly the easiest to by film over the disk. But I'm not sure about this and maybe somebody may correct me here.

BarryWilkinson
01-06-2007, 05:45 AM
The most reliable source in Europe is this guy http://www.mamutphoto.com/forum/index.php?topic=366.0 however he is selling Forte under the name of Europan and at least he is not lying about it but, he will take your money in advance and fix everything within two or three weeks.

Its about time you came clean and told everybody that you are the person selling this film. Good luck in your enterprise, but you should consider being a sponsor here.

ULF Film is still cut by Forte, Bergger and currently Ilford. I'm sure others will follow in China.

Barry

uraniumnitrate
01-06-2007, 07:49 AM
I'm sure others will follow in China.

Barry

The backside of this is that more products are coming out of china the more jobs we are loosing.
It maybe so that the UK hasn’t got unemployed people but some other countries in Europe the situation is different! And films coming out of China it will affect the overall revenue of Ilford, Kodak, Forte, Efke, Foma and other companies.

BarryWilkinson
01-06-2007, 08:26 AM
The backside of this is that more products are coming out of china the more jobs we are loosing.
It maybe so that the UK hasnít got unemployed people but some other countries in Europe the situation is different! And films coming out of China it will affect the overall revenue of Ilford, Kodak, Forte, Efke, Foma and other companies.

I quite agree. The UK does have high unemployment and manufacturing here is at its lowest since the 19th Century!

Barry

Bob F.
01-06-2007, 09:49 AM
According to OECD figures, in 2006, the UK had the joint lowest rate of unemployment (joint with Japan) of all G7 countries and the highest rate of employment (includes self employed and others who do not figure in unemployment figures).

Whilst manufacturing continues to decline, so it does in all other developed countries. It is of no real consequence financially as other so-called "knowledge industries" have more than taken up the slack.

WRT China: it was China that knocked the UK off its spot as world's 4th largest economy last year...

Cheers, Bob.

uraniumnitrate
01-06-2007, 12:30 PM
It is of no real consequence financially as other so-called "knowledge industries" have more than taken up the slack.


Cheers, Bob.

Yes Bob you are right about the “knowledge industry” it sure pick up some but its open only for young people with a high academic education and it’s not going to help that machine operator at Ilford, Efke or at Forte with their some 45 years of age. Or for any lower educated person here in this country either now if we are talking about Europe as one united country. Are we united?

Bu the way we are far off from the topic here. Aren't we? :-)

Simon R Galley
01-29-2007, 10:54 AM
Dear All,

The latest posting regarding our current ULF make is now on the sponsors forum, it will be made available to the European distributors and the UK specialist resellers, I will keep you all informed who orders it outside the USA.

Simon. ILFORD photo / HARMAN technology Limited

mammolo
01-29-2007, 03:23 PM
I placed the order some time ago through Fred Newman (USA) for this ULF run. Is there a way to have the film shipped to me (Italy) without having it rerouted via the US? I would hate to pay custom duties for a product that originates within the EU. (Because the ULF films originate from within the EU, don't they?)

Is Fred the person I should instead talk to for this?

Apologies for all these questions, but maybe other folks are in my situation.

Cheers!

Tourmie Green
02-26-2007, 04:48 AM
I have been pestering RW for a few weeks and he says that he expects to have a price list from Ilford in the next few days.

Why not register your interest with him;I am hoping the carriage costs
will be a lot less than from US suppliers.

pete oakley
02-26-2007, 02:27 PM
Never mind what Simon R Galley has to say I asked an Ilford rep at the Forum show at the NEC about 11 x 14 and he said "You and three others". With attitudes like this why the hell should I buy Ilford?
If you're reading this Simon get into a bit of a challenge, allow those of us who want ULF sizes to send you an order and collect from the factory one Saturday or Sunday at your convenience.
Bottle out of this and you stand to loose all your credability as a film manufacturer in the U.K.
See you at Focus?
Pete.

Bob F.
02-26-2007, 02:41 PM
Never mind what Simon R Galley has to say I asked an Ilford rep at the Forum show at the NEC about 11 x 14 and he said "You and three others". With attitudes like this why the hell should I buy Ilford?
If you're reading this Simon get into a bit of a challenge, allow those of us who want ULF sizes to send you an order and collect from the factory one Saturday or Sunday at your convenience.
Bottle out of this and you stand to loose all your credability as a film manufacturer in the U.K.
See you at Focus?
Pete.Speak for yourself.

pete oakley
02-26-2007, 02:43 PM
Simon,
I've had an even better idea. Why not make our ULF orders available at Focus. As demand in Europe for your ULF film is so low this will give the factory plenty of time to cut the few sheets of film that would satisfy your customers and potential customers.
Best wishes,
Pete.

pete oakley
02-26-2007, 02:50 PM
Bob if it's a ploblem get up to The Midlands and I'll give you a lift to the factory. The whole thing is just fantasy 'cos Ilford don't care about us anyway.
Pete.

Bob F.
02-26-2007, 03:29 PM
Thanks for the offer, but I am happy sticking to 5x4...

However, if I can draw your attention to a previous post above:

Dear All,
The latest posting regarding our current ULF make is now on the sponsors forum, it will be made available to the European distributors and the UK specialist resellers, I will keep you all informed who orders it outside the USA.

Simon. ILFORD photo / HARMAN technology Limited
Silverprint will probably stock it (or at least, will order it on your behalf) - why not ask them?

I for one will not be judging the entire Ilford company on their unwillingness to cut out their own dealer network, jeopardizing their business relationships with said dealers, just to supply a dozen or so people with specialist film directly - especially when said specialist film can be ordered via said dealer network... No company in its right mind is going to undermine its own dealer network if it wants to stay in business.

I've seen Ilford's film slitting/punching/guillotine/packaging and some of its Q/C operations and I can see very clearly that "to cut the few sheets of film" is not even close to being a practical proposition. Even doing the whole worldwide order will mean considerable interference with everyday operations (i.e. it is expensive in both time and wasted materials during each setup operation).

Give Martin at Silverprint a call (or PM him here) and see if he will order what you want.

Cheers, Bob.

pete oakley
02-26-2007, 03:47 PM
Bob,
Ilford have let Silverprint down for quite a few years on the ULF front that's why they stock Bergger 11 x 14 on a regular basis. I had to virtually ram the gaffers arm up his back to sell me the last box of 11 x 14 HP5 that he had in stock (he was saving it to use in his Dorf) a few years ago and even then it was outdated. I've still got some in me freezer if you want the evidence. I assume that this is the last box of HP5 cut to 11 x 14 in the country, if not in Europe. No U.K. distributer owes Ilford anything and Ilford think that they are so big that they really can't be bothered with Europe then so be it.
Pete.

Bob F.
02-26-2007, 06:23 PM
Remember this is a new Ilford - without the suits... If it was still the old Ilford, there would be no LF at all. Do you seriously think Ilford/Harman Tech will make any real profit out of this? Maybe enough to run the air-con and heating in the factory site for as much as several hours - it's mainly a goodwill/marketing exercise.

No, I don't believe Harman Technology Ltd. "care" about me: I believe they care about making a sustainable profit. I do not need, nor seek, the approval of inanimate objects and/or non-corporeal legal entities...

If you want to dismiss Simon Galley's post above and call him a liar, that is up to you, but if the only way to "prove" it to your satisfaction is to not even attempt to order any film from a dealer, it seems rather self-defeating to me. Of course, if you are so annoyed at Ilford for perceived past failings then by all means boycott them - that's your right too. But I don't think going into Mr. Angry mode and calling people liars is helpful.

We shall see if any Europeans order through the dealer network and if they do, what happens to those orders.

Bob.

BarryWilkinson
02-27-2007, 08:47 AM
Tempting but...Nah

What I would say though...

Ilford could use their 'Direct 2 Dealer' service for these films. This was specifically set up recently by Ilford to enable low volume items, not often stocked by dealers to be purchased by telephone. This helps Ilford and the buyer. One simply dialed the Ilford freephone number, pay for the items, and appointed a local Ilford dealer from which to collect them. Simple!

No dealer upset here (I assume the local dealer gets his cut?)

Barry