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ReallyBigCameras
01-05-2007, 08:23 PM
Looks like J&C has an update on their home page regarding this order...

Link (http://www.jandcphoto.com/JandC/update.htm)

Nutshell: No definite re-opening date. Expect to be down another 3 - 6 months (bummer).

Will not participate in the current Ilford ULF offer, suggests contacting other participating vendors.

Contacting Kodak on Monday to check on unfulfilled orders from last year's ULF program. Will try to get Kodak to finally deliver the film they accepted orders and payments for last January. If not, will issue refunds by the end of the month.

Kerry

Cecil
01-05-2007, 09:15 PM
Another 3 to 6 months!

I was hoping that J&C would open on the 15th so that I could call to see what went wrong with the order I placed at the end of October. I have not received any shipment and there is no way to contact them.

Anyone else having trouble with the very last orders before J&C closed for expansion? Do you know how to contact them to resolve shipment problems?

Alicouscous
01-06-2007, 11:24 PM
3-6 months ??
hum hum, in my humble opinion they'll never re-open ....not enough money ...too much debts .
It looks better contraction than expansion from their activities .
I'Hope they will refund everyone who have ordered to them :-((((

JBrunner
01-06-2007, 11:36 PM
3-6 months ??
hum hum, in my humble opinion they'll never re-open ....not enough money ...too much debts .
It looks better contraction than expansion from their activities .
I'Hope they will refund everyone who have ordered to them :-((((

It never ceases to amaze me how no good deeds go unpunished, where internet forums are concerned.

I have been dealing with John for a long time, and I will give him the benefit of the doubt, and take him at his word. His word has been impeccable.

AFAIK there appear to be a few unresolved orders in association with Kodaks lack of performance on the Tmax deal, and thats about all, which John states will be resolved on the 8th, and refunds issued by the end of the month if needed.

JandC let everybody know well in advance that they were closing to expand and relocate. They also let everyone know the reopening has been delayed, and passed the Ilford ULF order to other vendors.

How incredibly boorish of somebody on the other side of the world to engage in complete speculation, and utter gossip about somebody they have no idea about.

Alicouscous
01-06-2007, 11:52 PM
When the wind changes, sometime the innocent bird becomes a hungry wolf .

JBrunner
01-06-2007, 11:54 PM
When the wind changes, sometime the innocent bird becomes a hungry wolf .

Excusatio non petita, accusatio manifesta.

ReallyBigCameras
01-07-2007, 12:38 AM
hum hum, in my humble opinion they'll never re-open ....not enough money ...too much debts .

Do you actually know how much money they have, or how much debt they are carrying? Or is this just unfounded idle speculation on your part?

Seriously, if you make such statements you better be prepared to back them up with some supporting evidence.

Yeah, I'm a little disappointed they won't be re-opening on the 15th, but beyond what they posted on their web site, I know nothing about the reasons behind the delay - and I'm reasonably sure you don't either.

Kerry

Sean
01-07-2007, 12:56 AM
It never ceases to amaze me how no good deeds go unpunished, where internet forums are concerned.

I have been dealing with John for a long time, and I will give him the benefit of the doubt, and take him at his word. His word has been impeccable.

AFAIK there appear to be a few unresolved orders in association with Kodaks lack of performance on the Tmax deal, and thats about all, which John states will be resolved on the 8th, and refunds issued by the end of the month if needed.

JandC let everybody know well in advance that they were closing to expand and relocate. They also let everyone know the reopening has been delayed, and passed the Ilford ULF order to other vendors.

How incredibly boorish of somebody on the other side of the world to engage in complete speculation, and utter gossip about somebody they have no idea about.

Well said.

antielectrons
01-08-2007, 09:44 AM
Sean, do you not have any sympathy at all for the customer here? I am surprised at your attitude. I thought you and this site were all about supporting us remaining film aficionados? Or is it only the film vendors/advertisers you are interested in?

All the best to you in 2007.:)
Antongarcia

jstraw
01-08-2007, 10:15 AM
Sean, do you not have any sympathy at all for the customer here? I am surprised at your attitude. I thought you and this site were all about supporting us remaining film aficionados? Or is it only the film advertisers you are interested in?

All the best to you in 2007.:)
Antongarcia


Geez, so much for all the best to Sean in 2007.

JBrunner
01-08-2007, 11:29 AM
Sean, do you not have any sympathy at all for the customer here? I am surprised at your attitude. I thought you and this site were all about supporting us remaining film aficionados? Or is it only the film vendors/advertisers you are interested in?

All the best to you in 2007.:)
Antongarcia


Absolutely, lets make things up and pound on one of the best, and most supportive vendors we have ever had while they are down. Of course they don't want to be open at all, and its aimed at each one of our puny little worlds with personal vehemence. I'm sure they are sitting on an island some where sipping cocktails in the sun, and laughing it up at this very moment. Oh, and thanks for the drive by, troll.

gr82bart
01-08-2007, 11:37 AM
I need more butter on my popcorn. Someone pass the natchos?

Regards, Art.

ReallyBigCameras
01-08-2007, 11:37 AM
Sean, do you not have any sympathy at all for the customer here? I am surprised at your attitude. I thought you and this site were all about supporting us remaining film aficionados? Or is it only the film vendors/advertisers you are interested in?

All the best to you in 2007.:)
Antongarcia

Where did Sean show a lack of sympathy for anyone's customers? He never said the delay in re-opeing at J&C was a good thing. He never said the customers shouldn't be upset about it.

All he did was agree with JBrunner that baseless speculation about J&C's financial situation is just that, baseless speculation. Nobody posting here knows ANYTHING about J&C's finances. To speculate that the company lacks cash and has too much debt and will never re-open is totally irresponsible. Such unfounded rumor mongering does absolutely nothing to help J&C or their customers.

Kerry

resummerfield
01-08-2007, 11:56 AM
I think we should stop bashing J&C, accept the fact that they will be out of business for 6 months, and use this thread for it's intended purpose...... that is, discussing the details of the latest Ilford ULF film purchase. One vendor, The View Camera Store, has indicated they are checking, and will report back.

antielectrons
01-08-2007, 12:17 PM
Folks, I was refering to the original poster in this thread and whether sean had any sympathy for him. Sean was very quick to jump to the defence of J&C yet seemed to ignore the issue I thought the thread was actually about. i.e. the availability of film. Surely something that concerns all of us here. Just because we are all film lovers does not mean we forgo the right to hold vendors to account. Perhaps Agfa would still be around if scrutiny had been greater. Who knows.

Happy New Year to all of you!

Anton

JBrunner
01-08-2007, 12:20 PM
Folks, I was refering to the original poster in this thread and whether sean had any sympathy for him. Sean was very quick to jump to the defence of J&C yet seemed to ignore the issue I thought the thread was actually about. i.e. the availability of film. Surely something that concerns all of us here. Just because we are all film lovers does not mean we forgo the right to hold vendors to account. Perhaps Agfa would still be around if scrutiny had been greater. Who knows.

Happy New Year to all of you!

Anton

Yes. when Jand C reopens it will be thanks to you.

ReallyBigCameras
01-08-2007, 12:46 PM
Folks, I was refering to the original poster in this thread and whether sean had any sympathy for him.

Sorry, that wasn't at all clear from your previous post.


Sean was very quick to jump to the defence of J&C

He waited over three days and 27 posts before he said anything. How is that "very quick to jump to the defence of J&C"?


yet seemed to ignore the issue I thought the thread was actually about. i.e. the availability of film.

You seem to be getting J&C and Ilford mixed up. Ilford is the one who makes and supplies the film. J&C is just one of multiple dealers who sell Ilford ULF products. Sean doesn't work for either company. It's not his job to answer questions about their product availability. Ilford has a representative who regularly participates in this forum. If there are questions about the Ilford special order film program, it should be the Ilford rep who answers them. Bashing J&C and posting unfounded, baseless speculation about their financial situation does nothing to help the original poster.

Kerry

Sean
01-08-2007, 02:15 PM
Folks, I was refering to the original poster in this thread and whether sean had any sympathy for him. Sean was very quick to jump to the defence of J&C yet seemed to ignore the issue I thought the thread was actually about. i.e. the availability of film. Surely something that concerns all of us here. Just because we are all film lovers does not mean we forgo the right to hold vendors to account. Perhaps Agfa would still be around if scrutiny had been greater. Who knows.

Happy New Year to all of you!

Anton

J&C gave ample warning they were going to be closed, even had a stock clearance sale. Due to unforeseen circumstances the re-opening is delayed. A few folks may have been caught in the middle and this is unfortunate but from what I can see J&C is doing everything they can to make things right by refunding and re-directing etc. Sure I feel bad for those who have been inconvenienced but it's nothing I have control over. J&C has been one of the biggest supporters of APUG and not to mention traditional photography, even now being closed for up to 6 months they are still maintaining their partner status with Ilford, Calumet and Elevator to help us offset our high server costs. You have 3 posts on apug all going after a company in the U.S., an anonymous email address, and you are in Spain or using an anonymous proxy in Spain, either way I and others here find your behavior suspicious..

Simon R Galley
01-09-2007, 11:08 AM
Dear ILFORD ULF customers,

Firstly, may I sincerely apologise for the delay in replying to you all.

There has obviously been a lot of unnecessary confusion, I am pleased to confirm that all our ULF partners will receive a communication from our US distributor Wynit by Monday January 22nd. Once our ULF partners have received that communication, we will give the required details and information on how to participate in this ULF make, to all at APUG, on this forum.

We apologise for this delay :

Simon : ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology Limited :

wfwhitaker
01-09-2007, 12:15 PM
Thank you Simon. The update is very much appreciated.