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03-27-2007, 12:46 PM
Dear Petzi

Good for you....well done !


It is good for my customers. Thanks for the opportunity. I hope someone buys the film. Most people who are interested have probably ordered in the USA or UK by now.

03-27-2007, 01:29 PM
I did try to order film from the UK but Ilford told Silverprint that the minimum order was 6 boxes per film type (size 14x17 in my case ... ouch), so I gave up and ordered it all from the US.

Make sure you have no such strings attached.

03-27-2007, 03:42 PM
I think we should reward Ilford/Harman for their show of support - by supporting THEM, unconditionally... and choosing to use Ilford products in place of another, when faced with a decision between that - and an competing product, even though, under certain conditions, that product might be just a little less expensive. In doing this, we are ensuring the availability of quality products in the future. I think Mr. Galley's gesture is really worthy of our support. What do you think?

Emile de Leon
03-28-2007, 11:01 AM
Ilford is a great company. They have a great product and great service. It doesn't get better than that. I salute you! Emile/www.deleon-ulf.com

03-28-2007, 11:29 AM
I think we should reward Ilford/Harman for their show of support - by supporting THEM, unconditionally...

I think we should support Ilfrod/Harman, but not unconditionally. I will support them until they do something I deem not supportable (whatever that might be).

03-30-2007, 06:18 PM
Just a reminder.....31st is the deadline. Don't miss out on it....remember April 1st is April Fool's Day.

I just ordered 2 boxes of fp4+ 11x14 ($400 plus shipping) from Freestyle. Get you order in and support Ilford!

Simon R Galley
04-05-2007, 07:56 AM
Dear All,

Just a quick note to say the orders have arrived from the US and UK, they have improved significantly ( but as an FYI still less than 50% of last year ) so many thanks to all who ordered, and many thanks to anyone who upped their order, I will keep you informed of mnfc progress. I am holiday next week, so nothing before week after next.

Once again thank you for ordering and valuing ILFORD photo products


Simon ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology Limited

04-05-2007, 08:37 AM
Personally finding this news a little disappointing to hear - hope the guys at Ilford Harmon don't feel that too. Hope the 50% is rectifiable for next year. Also hope this is a blip rather than a trend.

Enjoy your well-deserved vacation Simon.

Happy Easter.

04-05-2007, 08:56 AM
I suspect this will be the blip, not the trend, because folks last year probably ordered far more than they expected to need, not knowing how often or in what quantity Ilford would be cutting their specific sizes. Now that this will be an annual event, and Ilford has committed to cutting their size regardless of pre-order quantity, I would think orders should be up next year as folks work through their overstock.

Simon R Galley
04-05-2007, 09:43 AM
Dear All,

We are not disappointed in the least, I think the Flying Camera is probably 'on the money' as they say...

Also lets not forget ULF is an expanding part of analog photography. Also thansk to APUG my 'T' shirt sales should make up any shortfall.....!!!


Simon ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology Limited :

04-05-2007, 09:43 AM
Dear Ilford,

I am user of ULF, I did not make an order for this year but your commitment to support us is an example to everyone. When my stocks gets smaller, I will definitely order some film from you.

As your commitmnet to us is open and sincere, I will trully do the same, even price is significantly higher than other brands.


04-05-2007, 08:58 PM
Doesn't a roll of 220 count as ULF cut film? It's the ultimate panoramic format! I want my 220! :)

04-06-2007, 06:46 AM
The best way I knew how to say "thank you" was to increase my 7x17 order to 150%. At that point Budget overtook Gratitude. You all have met my wife Budget havenít you? I didnít think I needed to introduce her.

John Powers

04-06-2007, 10:05 AM
... Every time I load a roll of Ilford 35 or 120 I feel good! ;)He he, I feel good every time I load a roll of 35 or 120. ;)

-- Ruediger

04-07-2007, 04:31 PM
Just received notification from Freestyle of shipment for my order of 7X17 FP-4 film. This really suggests that the US distributer had the film all along (hopefully in a cooler ;-). If I had known it was available, I would have started ordering Ilford film last year when I got the camera. I hope this time Simon & Ilford work with their US distributer to make all aware of the ready availability of ULF film. This would, I suspect, encourage more users of film to feel comfortable with standardizing on Ilford film.

04-13-2007, 04:50 PM
Is there any point at which a volume order receives any discount? Ten boxes? Twenty? Still pondering this whole whole-plate thing ... I assume there will still be inventory of 6x5 x 8.5 available for purchase? Sanders

Oren Grad
04-13-2007, 05:57 PM
Is there any point at which a volume order receives any discount? Ten boxes? Twenty? Still pondering this whole whole-plate thing ... I assume there will still be inventory of 6x5 x 8.5 available for purchase? Sanders

I don't think it's realistic to expect a volume discount. The challenge for Ilford/Harman is how to avoid losing money on the deal. Given how difficult market conditions are overall, I'm grateful that they're willing to serve in this way. But there were variations in how much of a discount the various dealer partners offered off of list price, so one could have saved a few dollars by shopping around.

There was some inventory of whole plate FP4+ left over after the prepaid orders were filled last year. I don't know whether anyone knows what will happen this year. As a general matter, if you want to be absolutely sure of getting a particular emulsion/size, you need to put in a prepaid order during the scheduled period.

04-14-2007, 06:48 PM

I ordered 100 sheets of 12x20 HP5 through the View Camera Store. I paid the credit card bill last week. I was blissfully unaware of this whole issue until today. While I am pleased Ilford has chosen to make good on its plan to make another run of ULF film, I will tell you that had I learned of the situation before paying the credit card bill and before you made this post that Ilford would indeed follow through, I would have contacted the credit card company and cancelled the order through them. (That's why I use American Express and pay the annual fee - they protect me as the customer.) At that point your orders would have been reduced and the whole situation of not having enough orders would have headed toward a self-fulfilling prophecy. The message here is that when you ask a person on a budget to commit $1200 or whatever amount on a non-refundable order and then come back and say...."Well, we don't have enough orders", it leaves a very disconcerting feeling about placing future "special" orders. I didn't really need the HP5 with 100 sheets of Bergger and 100 sheets of TMAX400 in the freezer, but with the Forte element's potential effect on Bergger availability and JandC still not back in business due to John's illness, I thought it a prudent thing to do. Shortly after I placed the order, John at JandC contacted me about how much 12x20 TMAX400 I might be interested in purchasing in the next year. They still had a small amount of TMAX400 in stock so I ordered and received 50 sheets of 12x20 left over from the first cutting. I'm planning to shoot some of that film next weekend if the weather gods cooperate. I have no Ilford HP5 film at the moment.

I understand the business realities of inventory. I managed an $8.5 million business of over 100 hardware products in my day job for 7 years. But my suggestion to you is that you schedule film runs such that people can order from stock at the dealer of their choice rather than having to gamble and invest large amounts of money not knowing if the product will be manufactured or delivered. There are other film alternatives at the moment if you spend a little time looking around the country. Other people have confirmed this elsewhere in this thread. I have no religious commitment to any one film manufacturer and so have learned to work with whatever is available - Bergger, Ilford, or Kodak. Each film has its own pluses and minuses. Without saying any more on the subject, there are discussions under way with Kodak to do just I suggested above. I don't know if they will pan out. But if they do, I won't be placing any more "special orders".

I'm happy you will be following through on this production run because I think it is good for the ULF community and Ilford's reputation. Had Ilford decided not to do the run, I believe it would have irreparably damaged your ability to do so again in the future so I believe you made the right business decision.

As an aside, the idea of packaging film in larger boxes is a really, really bad idea. That is exactly what Kodak did on their TMAX400 run and it really ticked off me and a lot of other people. I have an insulated film case for carrying boxes of both exposed and unexposed film in the field. I work a lot in the desert and my film is stored in the vehicle at all times because I'm camping or moving location every day. the case is sized for 12x20 boxes - not 16x20. I fed my opinion back to Kodak through private channels and they appear to be responding to my and other's feedback. I find it ironic that I had to re-package all of the TMAX400 film I bought into empty Ilford boxes for a 2 week photo expedition in the canyon country of Utah last fall. I now have 20 16x20 film boxes from the TMAX for which I have no use and which are taking up valuable space. I will probably put them up for sale on ebay at a very low price just to get rid of them. I'm sure there is someone out there who shoots 16x20 that would love to have some extra film boxes. Another piece of feedback for you in your packaging is you should be lining all three box components with black paper. All of Kodak's film boxes are made this way. I doubled bagged the TMAX400 that I re-packaged into Ilford boxes for this reason - paranoia about light leaks especially when I am shooting and changing film outside in the desert in a Harrison tent. The black plastic bag you use for the film begins to develop pinholes after only a few times of in and out of the box when changing film.


05-10-2007, 09:41 PM
I just received great news on my ULF Ilford order. I received an unexpected call from George at Freestyle Photographic Supplies and he advised my order for FP4+ 11x14 should be delivered by May 18th! In my case, I have been extremely pleased with my prior orders from Freestyle and this is just icing on the cake!

05-10-2007, 11:35 PM
Hmmm... I received my 7x17 and 14x17 FP4+ almost six weeks ago in late March. Evidently, this was left over from the previous cut. I have not received my 4x10 FP4+, as it's a new size this time around.

On a related note, I'd like to thank Simon and Ilford for cutting the 4x10 size. I never did get my 4x10 TMAX 400 and finally got a refund almost 14 months after I placed the order (although I still would have rather had the film). It'll sure be nice to have some factory cut 4x10 film and not have to deal with the hassle of cutting my own. Thanks Simon!