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Drew B.
05-24-2007, 09:29 PM
I'm looking for anyone (probably older types) to carefully look over this image and with all the potential clues, come up with a date (approx year) of exposure and country of origin.7677

Pinholemaster
05-24-2007, 10:09 PM
I have no real clue. The car in the background, which I do not recognize, is the best clue. But the overall feel of the image reminds me of my family images from the 1920s and early 30s. Perhaps the automobile experts will hone in on the car.

Gay Larson
05-24-2007, 10:44 PM
I also think 1920's by the gentlemen's suits and the children's clothing. It could be any number of countries including the USA. The fence in the backgroung looks very American. Interesting though.

Curt
05-25-2007, 01:50 AM
France, '30's. The outside scupper to the right and the window to the left.

markbb
05-25-2007, 03:15 AM
I'm not sure, but the bloke holding the baby has got a weird right hand.

roteague
05-25-2007, 03:30 AM
France, '30's. The outside scupper to the right and the window to the left.

I was thinking 1930s Germany, but that would just be a wild guess on my part. But, it looks like you picked up the hints right away.

copake_ham
05-25-2007, 03:49 AM
I'm close to where Robert is - certainly as to Europe. But I'm thinking Holland, Belgium or northern France. What strikes me are both the car (which makes me think France) and the "bowed" window (which puts me nearer to Holland or other more northern climes).

How about the BeNeLux plus France as a wild guess?

Drew B.
05-25-2007, 07:45 AM
ok, first of all, I don't have the answer! I'm trying to find this stuff out as they are my relatives including the little boy with the hammer...who happens to look exactly like me at that age. I sent this image to an automobile expert in London who promply told me the steering wheel was on the left and therefore an american image. The next clues are the popped out screen hood over the window and the dress of the older man. I'm guessing 1920s or 30's but I need an american car expert to tell me about the vehicle. Thanks so far...

Sirius Glass
05-25-2007, 10:54 AM
Can you get a more detailed blow up of the patch/decoration on the shirt of the boy on the left? It may have some lettering on it which could indicate language.

Steve

jnanian
05-25-2007, 11:45 AM
drew

i have seen window screens like that from the 20s/30s ...
the car, while it has the steering wheel on the left, could have been
european - not just from the states.
it looks kind of like an old touring car ( convertible )
its hard to ID something like that just from the rear-quarer
but it has the "feeling" of one of these cars:

http://www.european-concours.com/

you could get a better idea of the window treatments by contacting
a restoration place like http://www.architecturaliron.com/ .
if you send them a copy of the photo, they can ask around seeing that they
make repros of this sort of thing ...

the brickwark behind = flemish bond+downspouts are all bronze and look
typ. 1920s ...

good luck!

john

Drew B.
05-25-2007, 01:33 PM
I'm going to rescan just the auto at a very large dpi setting and maybe send it off to a US auto expert/historian to see what he/she says. thanks for the websites...

Derek Lofgreen
05-25-2007, 01:46 PM
My guess on the time frame would be sometime during the depression. The car looks to be parked for a while on the side of the house but it doesn't seem to be an antique due to the clothing etc. of the people in the photo. I would assume this car was parked due to the expense to maintain and it becoming a non necessity. I would guess the car was sitting for about 1-2 years. the top is still in okay shape but there is some growth around the car. My guess at the year of the photo take would be 1931 if it was in the US.

D.

pentaxuser
05-25-2007, 05:33 PM
Drew. I have pics of my wife's uncles( UK late 30's) with similar hairstyle to the man holding the baby. His specs and double breasted jacket and hairstyle give him a Glen Millar look. So maybe 1940's

I am thinking also of the young librarian in "China Town"of Jack Nicholson/ Fay Dunaway fame which I think was set in the late 30's/early 40s.

As a baby I looked similar to this baby in clothes style.I was born '46 and as baby clothes in '46 probably changed little from a few years before, it all points to late 30's/early 40's

I feel we can rule out the 1920s or even early 30's. The older gent has what appears to be a very broad but short tie which is gaudily painted. This should help date it as well. It ressembles what we in the U.K. later referred to as a Spiv's tie. Popular with musical hall type comedians like Max Millar and Tommy Trinder and the "Spiv" reference was to black marketeers during rationing during WWII. The style of tie persisted through the 40's.

All in all, I think it strongly points to the late 30s/ early 40's but more likely the early 40s. I know my references are to the U.K but the two countries mirrored each other to a large extent.


Let us know what transpires. I like these kind of puzzles

pentaxuser

Gary Holliday
05-27-2007, 07:56 AM
It is difficult the place the country as there was so much emmigration to America during WWII. The young chap looks German/ Belgian to me.

Drew B.
06-04-2007, 01:41 PM
I've researched the auto and it is similar to two american vehicles - a 31-32 Chevrolet model and a similarly aged Buick. I agree, this vehicle might have been sitting there for...5-10 years? These people, I'm sure, are Scots-American and I would say the male standing on the right would be about my father's age...so maybe the kids are my generation but 10-15 years older than me. (my parents were in their mid to late 30s when I was born) I have to go to Providence next week to the state archives for research and see if the names found on the rear of the photo can be found there. I'll keep you informed....

jnanian
06-04-2007, 01:55 PM
I've researched the auto and it is similar to two american vehicles - a 31-32 Chevrolet model and a similarly aged Buick. I agree, this vehicle might have been sitting there for...5-10 years? These people, I'm sure, are Scots-American and I would say the male standing on the right would be about my father's age...so maybe the kids are my generation but 10-15 years older than me. (my parents were in their mid to late 30s when I was born) I have to go to Providence next week to the state archives for research and see if the names found on the rear of the photo can be found there. I'll keep you informed....

drew

have you checked out ancestery.com ?
they have census records, and web-links to
other geneological archives like the morman church.
pretty much an geneologist's dream :)

at the ri historical society library, they have transcriptions
of all the grave markers voter registrations records, street directories &C
to help you in that department ...
but ancestory.com is free and easy and might some more information and
save you some $ and a drive.
--
good luck!
john

Drew B.
06-04-2007, 03:33 PM
Been there...done that. That site is free up to a point... and been to the morman family research site(s) in Foxboro and Harwich and have gotten a ways but its now time to motor on down to the city and let my fingers do the walking!

Gay Larson
06-04-2007, 11:21 PM
good luck Drew. Now I'm as interested in your family as you are. Keep us informed.

Curt
06-04-2007, 11:43 PM
There are people who have extensive hammer collections also, even though a long shot, details all add up. The clothes, width of ties and styles, including eyeglass styles are of a period.

panastasia
08-17-2007, 09:46 AM
I've researched the auto and it is similar to two american vehicles - a 31-32 Chevrolet model and a similarly aged Buick. I agree, this vehicle might have been sitting there for...5-10 years? These people, I'm sure, are Scots-American and I would say the male standing on the right would be about my father's age...so maybe the kids are my generation but 10-15 years older than me. (my parents were in their mid to late 30s when I was born) I have to go to Providence next week to the state archives for research and see if the names found on the rear of the photo can be found there. I'll keep you informed....

Drew,

The auto looks like a 32 model. I have a photo of my father wearing the same, or very similar, clothes as the man standing with child and the hair style is identical. He was born in 1910 and looked about 30 years old in the photo. My guess is 1940, give or take a year.

Regards,
Paul