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Ian Grant
07-04-2007, 02:27 AM
Tim, it might surprise you but people are paying $600 and more for Speed and Crown Graphics. The value of the dollar is very low so the cameras are relatively cheap for buyers outside the US.

You do have to ask why, my guess is some people think they are good full feature 5x4 cameras, and they are first time 5x4 buyers. They aren't getting value for their money.

Ian

walter23
10-08-2007, 01:36 PM
I'm glancing at a lens that is already 80+% of the brand new price. This lens is likely 20 years old.

I saw a JOBO 4x5 reel and 2521 drum go for more than the new price from B&H last week. I almost bid on it but decided I should go check out the new price just in case.... and was glad I didn't :)

walter23
10-08-2007, 01:44 PM
I do wonder if alot of these classic cameras end up gathering dust on a speculators shelf, rather than in somebodies camera bag, get to do what they were built for.

David

I was bidding on an old brass lens the other week (it had a cracked rear element at that, but an interesting serial number of No. 666 ;)). It was ultimately won at far too rich a price for what it was by a bidder who's name sounded like an antiques shop (bobsantiques or something like that).

Collectors piss me off. I wanted to shoot with the thing, cracked element and all.

darinwc
11-02-2007, 07:41 PM
FYI, speed and crown graphics DO sell for around 600 sometimes in mint condition. And a mint super graphic just sold for $1500!
Check out this stripped-to-the-wood speed graphic:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Graflex-Speed-Graphic-4x5-w-Beautiful-Wood-finish_W0QQitemZ270179940022QQihZ017QQcategoryZ152 47QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
sold for over 500

k_jupiter
11-02-2007, 08:07 PM
FYI, speed and crown graphics DO sell for around 600 sometimes in mint condition. And a mint super graphic just sold for $1500!
Check out this stripped-to-the-wood speed graphic:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Graflex-Speed-Graphic-4x5-w-Beautiful-Wood-finish_W0QQitemZ270179940022QQihZ017QQcategoryZ152 47QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
sold for over 500

Amazing. Strip an Anniversary Speed, sand and finish the wood, put upholstery tacks in the bottom of it, and sell it for near 600 bucks?

Where is my Porter Cable 333 sander?

tim in san jose

Ian Grant
11-03-2007, 05:14 AM
Amazing. Strip an Anniversary Speed, sand and finish the wood, put upholstery tacks in the bottom of it, and sell it for near 600 bucks?
tim in san jose

That one in the ebay link has had the focal plane shutter removed.

You've given me hope Tim, I must finish off my pre-Anniversary Speed Graphic next time I'm in the UK.
http://www.lostlabours.co.uk/Uploads/mid_restoration_speedgraphic.jpg

The bellows and spirit levels have since been restored the shutters fully functional, the body trench polished. It has a modified body to accept wide-angle lenses, it appears Graflex released half finished camera's to other workshops for adapting as specialist models, including Police cameras.

Ian

darinwc
11-03-2007, 02:49 PM
notice how the guy closed the auction as soon as someone bid... before the buyer could back out!

Removed Account
11-03-2007, 11:45 PM
Notice this line:

"We will assist you with the Customs Declaration Form to address your individual needs.Please inquire with your special requests.We will make this a pleasant shopping experience."

Now if only I could get an electron microscope marked "Gift".....

- Justin

Bobby Ironsights
12-25-2007, 07:45 PM
I know, I've seen that guy "fine camera's and watches" sell a number of things at absolutely unbelievable prices.

Everything he sells is up-marked by about 800%. I was discussing it with the GF, and the only reasonable explanation we can come up with is money laundering!:confused:

Ian Grant
12-26-2007, 02:43 PM
Well he can Money launder my Speed Graphic any day :D

More seriously bald, as in no leatherette Graphics do seem to fetch very higher prices, I've french polished mine (the one I've shown in the thread), did I make a mistake recovering my other I had to fill the bit where the missing shutter used to sit.

Actually the one sold on ebay for $578.00 (US) is a con because this is totally untrue "the special wooden edition is rare, a classic Beauty" - why ?
Because its a Speed Graphic & has no shutter, the button/catch to open it is missing and they were always covered in black leatherette. Looks much nicer though :)

Ian

Alex Bishop-Thorpe
12-26-2007, 03:06 PM
I got mine for 300AUD, with a recently CLA'd 90mm Optar - I was the only bidder. I'd watched them for the last year though, and they'd gone for anywhere from 150 to 700-800. It's ebay, sometimes you get lucky and sometimes you get screwed, but the more informed you are the better.
Like the $70 I paid for a Yankee Agitank.
Let's never speak of it again.

Phillip P. Dimor
12-26-2007, 03:15 PM
Have you tried acquiring a Graflex RB through *Bay? That's even more fun than trying to find a speed.
I agree though, there is a higher demand for them now it seems. $600 is steep, although I had seen a NIB late singer-graflex pacemaker speed for about that, if not a bit higher. I would have paid that for a truly NIB camera. How many times have you seen the original box that the camera came in?

JBrunner
12-26-2007, 03:17 PM
Last week on the Bay- My much hyped 1946 Speed and a 545 polaroid back in working order. --$148 US + shipping. Yes, there are some prime examples that go for allot more, or at least they are listed for more, but they can be had for less as well. You just need to be patient. Over all prices have been rising a bit. That's actually good. Means people are using film. Right now in the APUG classifieds is a real real nice Crown, with a 545 holder, for like $350. Thats pretty cheap for turn key to get in to LF. Could you find it cheaper? Sure, maybe... with some of looking, or you can just pony up and be shooting with that one in a few days. Good, fast, or cheap-pick any two.

Phillip P. Dimor
12-26-2007, 03:18 PM
That 'cameras and watches' guy.. He does have a lot of stuff that is just absolutely outrageous. Either it's banged up and he gives it a 9 or it's priced way higher than it should be. Although he did have a pretty NICE graflex XL kit w/ zeiss lens, several backs and whatnot for about $400. It was the original military issue, black in a matching vulcanoid case. If I had $400+ to burn I would have considered it..

Paul Howell
12-27-2007, 08:39 AM
That 'cameras and watches' guy.. He does have a lot of stuff that is just absolutely outrageous. Either it's banged up and he gives it a 9 or it's priced way higher than it should be. Although he did have a pretty NICE graflex XL kit w/ zeiss lens, several backs and whatnot for about $400. It was the original military issue, black in a matching vulcanoid case. If I had $400+ to burn I would have considered it..

The Graflex XL military issue is rather rare as are most military issued cameras, in the 70s there were laws that required the federal government to purchase American Made Products even if the products cost more or did not meet the specs of Japanese or German products, or so the story goes. The rumor was that the Air Force wanted the Konica Rapid Omega system but was forced to issue the XL. As I recall the XL was not well liked, I used it once or twice, no strong opinions one way or another. Most military issue cameras most got the h#** beat of them, once they trashed or obsolete they were turned over to surplus but other federal, state, and other governmental agencies could grab them for free so some wound up with the Park Service and the like, only the very battered made it to auction. A few never made to surplus, listed as lost or whatever and taken home. I got my first Speed, it is a standard press not a military spec model, with a tag from the Pensacola Naval Air Station, from a Navy auction in Long Beach Ca in 1965.