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Gary892
11-21-2007, 01:47 PM
I was thinking about a viewing card, much like the ones for 4x5, to use with my 12x20 camera. Holding a large card with a 12x20 cutout is a bit too much so I decided to scale it down. I divided each dimension by 4 and came up with an 8x10 card, easy to carry, with a 3x5 cutout. Now my problem is how close or far away do I need to hold it from my eye to approximate the correct composition. I have a 610mm lens and a 450 lens.

Any suggestions?

Thanks

Gary

scootermm
11-21-2007, 02:02 PM
gary, the gut reaction answer would be:
4.5" away from your face for the 450mm lens
6" away from your face for the 600

basically thats going with the focal length being the distance from film plane to the lens center... 450mm/4 = 112.5mm = 4" 600mm/4=150mm = 6"
likely not EXACT but close enough I would think.

sanking
11-21-2007, 02:59 PM
I was thinking about a viewing card, much like the ones for 4x5, to use with my 12x20 camera. Holding a large card with a 12x20 cutout is a bit too much so I decided to scale it down. I divided each dimension by 4 and came up with an 8x10 card, easy to carry, with a 3x5 cutout. Now my problem is how close or far away do I need to hold it from my eye to approximate the correct composition. I have a 610mm lens and a 450 lens.

Any suggestions?

Thanks

Gary

My viewing card for 12X20 is 6X10 inches, or 1/2 the dimension of the format. Proper viewing distance for this card is 1/2 the focal length of the taking lenses. For example, if you are using a 600mm lens place the card 300mm from your eyes.

One trick you might want to consider is to attach a nylon cord to the viewing card, with a knot in the cord at the proper distance for every focal length you own. To view, place the knot between your teeth and hold the card centered away from your face, and level on both axis.

Sandy King

MattKing
11-21-2007, 04:43 PM
One trick you might want to consider is to attach a nylon cord to the viewing card, with a knot in the cord at the proper distance for every focal length you own. To view, place the knot between your teeth and hold the card centered away from your face, and level on both axis.

Sandy King

In which case, you are bound to be asked the question .....

(Sorry, I couldn't resist)

Matt

P.S. The cord and card sound like a great idea for other formats too.

Robert Hall
11-21-2007, 08:03 PM
Make sure you dip the cord in something that tastes good. :)

Steve Smith
11-22-2007, 02:29 AM
Make sure you dip the cord in something that tastes good. :)

Or use dental floss!

Steve.

Richard T Ritter
11-22-2007, 09:16 AM
Set the camera up and focus look at the ground glass for referenece points. Then look through the viewing card when you find the correct distance from your eye to match what you see on the ground glass. Take a string and attach it to the card and then tie a knot in it at the correct distance.

photomc
11-22-2007, 09:55 AM
Thanks Richard, very easy way to work. One for the notebook.

Gary892
11-22-2007, 03:28 PM
Lots of great suggestions.

I am going to make two pieces of cord, one following what Sandy said and one following what Richard said. I'll then decide which method works best for me.

Gary

noseoil
11-24-2007, 06:44 AM
Gary, use 1/4 the FL and you will be fine.

I made a similar viewing device for 4x5. Basically, it uses the same "window" size in the 4x5 format, but is a simple brass rod bent into a rectangle. There is a length of brass strap (hobby shop stuff, somewhat soft, but it works), a wood block with a brass tube epoxied in place and scored marks on the brass strap. A friction fit is all that is needed. Since the 4x5 aspect ratio is 1:1 in this case, I have marks at 65mm, 90mm, 125mm, 180mm, 240mm and 300mm is full extension.

To use this device for 8x10, I use 1/2 the focal length or just under 125mm for the 240mm G-Claron from "the little green men" lens (thanks Jim), 150mm for the 300mm and 240mm for the 480mm lens. tim

michael9793
11-24-2007, 11:01 AM
When I used cards, I would use it too get an Idea of the subject, but the final image and it's corners can not be judged other than under the drop cloth. This I was taught by Paula Chamlee. you should be moving the camera around like a movie camera once you have a idea or image, to finalize the corners and overall balance of the image.

Mike A

sanking
11-24-2007, 01:10 PM
When I used cards, I would use it too get an Idea of the subject, but the final image and it's corners can not be judged other than under the drop cloth. This I was taught by Paula Chamlee. you should be moving the camera around like a movie camera once you have a idea or image, to finalize the corners and overall balance of the image.

Mike A

With normal and longer focal length lenses I can usually find the best camera placement with a viewing card, especially if the subject is more than 20-25' away. The card is less useful with wide angle lenses, and when the subject is fairly close. In those conditions one really must move the camera around a lot to find the best spot.

Sandy King

Gary892
11-24-2007, 10:54 PM
When I used cards, I would use it too get an Idea of the subject, but the final image and it's corners can not be judged other than under the drop cloth. This I was taught by Paula Chamlee. you should be moving the camera around like a movie camera once you have a idea or image, to finalize the corners and overall balance of the image.

Mike A

I agree that a viewing card should not determine the final position of one's camera. For this discussion I am referring to a 12x20 and I want to get as close to a final composition as I can. Moving a heavy and large camera around like a movie camera is not an option for me. I don't mind moving it a small distance one way or the other to fine tune the composition but there is no way I will walk around with it and pretend it is an 8mm camera.

Gary