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arigram
03-31-2008, 02:17 PM
There more than a couple thread regarding water used in the darkroom and there is a passing mention of the subject, but I would like a definite answer:
- Can I use the water I get from a dehumidifier unit to replace distilled water for developing of film?
- Is there a way to test if its suitable?
The unit in question (Singer 2100LCD) contains a filter and an ionizer but I am not sure if they have any effect in the collected from humidity water.

dpurdy
03-31-2008, 02:37 PM
i would like to know as well so perhaps you could try it and report back. My water collection bucket isn't exactly sparkling clean looking though the water looks clean and clear when i dump it.
Dennis

climbabout
03-31-2008, 02:39 PM
Technically speaking, the water you get from a dehumidifier is distilled, however it is not pure, since it has not been boiled like commercially bought distilled water is. Also it is subject to whatever contaminants are present in your collection tank and on the coils of the dehumidifier. In practice, I would think it would be ok to use as long as your dehumidifier is clean.
Hope this helps.
Tim

Photo Engineer
03-31-2008, 02:44 PM
It usually grows a lot of bacteria and mold and collects household air pollutants such as oils, spices and other things such as hair, dandruff and skin flakes.

So, to use it, filter it, boil it and then it might be usable. By that time you are just as well off using distilled.

PE

arigram
03-31-2008, 02:47 PM
It usually grows a lot of bacteria and mold and collects household air pollutants such as oils, spices and other things such as hair, dandruff and skin flakes.

So, to use it, filter it, boil it and then it might be usable. By that time you are just as well off using distilled.

PE

Yuck.
So, I should just keep buying distilled water from the supermarket and connect the dehumidifier to the drain?

Photo Engineer
03-31-2008, 02:55 PM
Thats what I do. It goes into our basement drain directly.

Every once in a while, that grunge plugs up the hole with brown glop that I have to force out of the drain tube. Nasty stuff.

Oh, a vet once told me not to give it to pets either if they were ever prescribed distilled water for a kidney problem.

PE

arigram
03-31-2008, 03:21 PM
Suppose I filter it well through a couple of coffee filters, do I still have to boil it?

Photo Engineer
03-31-2008, 03:23 PM
IDK. Bacteria and molds can grow in neutral and alkaline ammonium fixes. They can also grow in photo flo solutions. You are going to have to determine that by experimentation. :D

PE

matti
03-31-2008, 03:31 PM
Aristotelis. I read the title and thought you were going to dehumidify water... And then I though about tomorrow. and then I thought about the time zone for Crete and got a bit confused. :-)

/matti

arigram
03-31-2008, 03:44 PM
IDK. Bacteria and molds can grow in neutral and alkaline ammonium fixes. They can also grow in photo flo solutions. You are going to have to determine that by experimentation. :D

So, if i boil it, it will be ok?
Even not boiled, but used in a short amount of time, will it become a problem on the actual developed film?

Matti, can I too have what you're drinking? :D

Photo Engineer
03-31-2008, 03:52 PM
So, if i boil it, it will be ok?
Even not boiled, but used in a short amount of time, will it become a problem on the actual developed film?

Matti, can I too have what you're drinking? :D

Ari;

IDK. Never tried to do it.

PE

arigram
03-31-2008, 04:05 PM
These threads I've found have some horror stories regarding using this water:
http://www.thekrib.com/Filters/dehumidifier.html
http://answers.google.com/answers/main?cmd=threadview&id=237065

I think I'll just drain it.

Louis Nargi
04-01-2008, 10:55 PM
I'v been using it for years with no problem. Just filter it though acoffee filter and put in gal jugs. It is distilled water.

Martin Aislabie
04-02-2008, 02:54 PM
I am an Air Conditioning Engineer and I would never, ever, ever touch the stuff.
Condensing water from the atmosphere is not the same as collecting distilled water from a sealed system.
As PE says - as you condense the water is washes the air from which it was obtained.
In the house that means dust (fabric/carpet/skin/pet hair/pollen/fine soil particles/cooking fats ......) plus what ever atmospheric pollutants happen to be in your local atmosphere.
If you have ever had the misfortune to have to clear out an air conditioning condensate drain you would realise what a disgusting amount of grunge gets washed out of the in the condensate.
I imagine you could particle filter it/distil it several times/chemically neutralise it into a usable form but it would be a huge task.
It would be easier to start with Tap water
Buying Distilled or Deionised water is much much quicker, simpler and more guaranteed
Martin

bobwysiwyg
04-02-2008, 02:57 PM
Yuck.
So, I should just keep buying distilled water from the supermarket and connect the dehumidifier to the drain?

Yes. The condensation coils probably have more crud on them than you can imagine and it all ends up in the water. You'd be better off using tap water.

arigram
04-02-2008, 09:37 PM
OK, I had enough scares!
I have been already draining it!

Cruzingoose
04-07-2008, 10:01 PM
When I had my darkroom in the cellar in MA, I used the dehumidfier for all my darkroom chemicals and final rinse. In the Summer I collected about 1/2 gallon per day. There is no problem IF the dehumidfier is either new or has had the coils and collection basket throughly cleaned.

My dehumidfier lived in the darkroom since new and each year I would check it and it had clean coils. The basket got washed once a month to reduce the possibility of mold. Since there is little to no particulate matter in the darkroom and the water is usually used fast enough, there is no concern for mold or particulate matter in the water. It is PH neutral and works in batteries also.

jpeets
04-08-2008, 10:32 AM
Given what appears to be a consensus that water from a dehumidifier is not similar to distilled, I have wondered if there was a reasonable means to distill my own. I did acquire a condensing tube (don't know the technical term for it) consisting of a glass outer jacket with inlet and outlet and a coiled inner tube. I could McGuyver something, but I also wonder if the cost of running the thing (running cold water and boiling the water) doesn't detract from the advantages (i.e. convenience and volume available).

My water is from a deep well, and is very hard, so I am reluctant to use it for a lot of my darkroom processes.

Is anyone distilling their own?


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