I'm looking at a used lens with a "D" rating

N = New Comes complete as packed by manufacturer with warranty except where noted.
D = Demo Demonstration condition almost like new, might show very light use.
E+=Excellent + Very clean
E = Excellent Shows normal wear, might have minor scratches, glass clean.
E - = Excellent - Average wear, may have small marks but no brassing
V = Very Good Shows heavier wear, works mechanically fine
G = Good Shows extra heavy use wear, glass might have scratches, usable

F = Fair

I'm likely to purchase it I just hope it really is a "D"..

I'd probably trust them on something in "D" condition.

I will be in NYC a week from Monday. I can check it out for you if you want. Let me know.

I've not bought with a "D" rating but have bought two lenses in the last few months, one an enlarging lens and the other for the RB67. They both had the "E" rating and were extremely clean. The glass is perfect on both. I used Paypal and the first time it took a couple of weeks to go through, I had never had that happen before. Every time I checked it was in "Pending" state. The second time it went right through, maybe it's fraud protection. I am completely satisfied with both purchases.

The KEH purchases were not so nice, a tripod head had a bent handle and was roughed up and a lens was very well used by the Miami Herald, as inscribed. You know that a newspaper would used the equipment intensely. In all fairness though if you don't go Excellent or better you just don't know what it will be like. When they say RB back it doesn't mean it will have a dark slide, which most would assume it would have.

So Adorama gets my vote.

Curt

I will be in NYC a week from Monday. I can check it out for you if you want. Let me know

That's the ultimate in evaluation!

I'm looking at a used lens with a "D" rating

N = New Comes complete as packed by manufacturer with warranty except where noted.
D = Demo Demonstration condition almost like new, might show very light use.
E+=Excellent + Very clean
E = Excellent Shows normal wear, might have minor scratches, glass clean.
E - = Excellent - Average wear, may have small marks but no brassing
V = Very Good Shows heavier wear, works mechanically fine
G = Good Shows extra heavy use wear, glass might have scratches, usable

F = Fair

I'm likely to purchase it I just hope it really is a "D"..


Dear Sean

Hopefully you'll be completely happy with your lens, but if you have any concerns, please don't hesitate to contact me directly: helen.oster@adoramacamera.com

Sincerely

Helen Oster
Adorama Camera Customer Service Ambassador

I know a lot of people who don't like Adorama for whatever reason. I have found them to be as good as any retailer of that size. I have also bought a few pieces of used equipment there over the years and have found them to be well represented. They even CLA'd my Leica IIIC before sending it to me. On the other hand (since Adorama is obviously listening) you need to do a better job packing things. Throwing a glass thermometer in a padded envelope for example is a bad idea.

I know a lot of people who don't like Adorama for whatever reason. I have found them to be as good as any retailer of that size. I have also bought a few pieces of used equipment there over the years and have found them to be well represented. They even CLA'd my Leica IIIC before sending it to me. On the other hand (since Adorama is obviously listening) you need to do a better job packing things. Throwing a glass thermometer in a padded envelope for example is a bad idea.

Have you got your order number handy, so we can check who packed it?

Helen

I've bought a bunch of stuff from Adorama over the years, both used and refurbished. The refurbished page is really hard to find so I keep it bookmarked - here's the link (http://www.adorama.com/catalog.tpl?op=itemlist&cat1=Refurbished&cat2=Lenses%20%26%20Accessories)

The last used item I bought was a Canon 300mm f4L in EX-. Glass is pristine. Body has a lot of little scuffs and chips in the paints. Works great - I've had it for around a year and a half. I also bought a Canon 50mm in EX-. Again, pristine glass and scuffs on the body and works fine - had that one for around 3 years.

In refurb, I've bought Canon's 100mm f2.8 maco and 580EX flash. I've had the lens for almots a year and the flash longer than that with no problems with either.

I've also bought used from KEH - last was a Canon 2x TC in EX+. I'd have called it LN.

In general, I think Adorama's ratings are very fair in terms of glass but only fair to slightly optimistic in terms of cosmetics (but I still buy used from them) and KEH's tend to be very fair to pesimistic (as in, it'll be better than they say)

Dan

Dear Sean

Hopefully you'll be completely happy with your lens, but if you have any concerns, please don't hesitate to contact me directly: helen.oster@adoramacamera.com

Sincerely

Helen Oster
Adorama Camera Customer Service Ambassador

Welcome to APUG, and thanks for participating!

Thanks for the input everyone including Helen. I went ahead and ordered the lens, it was such a good deal I didn't want to risk losing it. I would probably be perfectly happy with a E or E+ so the demo rating is a nice bonus.

The lens has arrived and it is MINT! In a Leica Leather lens case, and not only that it unexpectedly has a mint Leica E60 UVa filter on it, these are not cheap so what a great bonus. This has definitely made my day. Now just waiting for my ebay'd R8 body to show up and I'm in business :)

What's are the spec's on the lens, size, glad it worked out, it didn't take that long either.

The lens has arrived and it is MINT! In a Leica Leather lens case, and not only that it unexpectedly has a mint Leica E60 UVa filter on it, these are not cheap so what a great bonus. This has definitely made my day. Now just waiting for my ebay'd R8 body to show up and I'm in business :)

Dear Sean

delighted to read that you are so pleased with your purchase from Adorama.

Do keep a note of my direct email contact, in case I can ever help in the future: helen.oster@adoramacamera.com
Sincerely

Helen Oster
Adorama Camera Customer Service Ambassador

Wow, a Customer Service Ambassador checking on posts.
That is nice to see.

thanks

Wow, a Customer Service Ambassador checking on posts.
That is nice to see.

thanks

Its nice to see and very smart.

Helen I bought two lenses from your company, one enlarging lens and one camera lens and they are working out very nice.

Curt

Helen I bought two lenses from your company, one enlarging lens and one camera lens and they are working out very nice.

Curt

Delighted to hear it, Curt - but if you have any problems, you know where I am: helen.oster@adoramacamera.com

Best wishes

Helen