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Perry Way
05-29-2010, 04:19 AM
The Kodak holders I use have a frame that leans out to fit the film sheet under and then this pushes down to hold the film in place. You don't have to slide the sheet in
like European holders, it is a little tricky but with practice quite straight forward. I also like that the contact prints I make have a clean border, no film notch :) 9x12cm may seem small for contacts
but they are jewel-like in their intensity. Have fun with your camera.

Yes I have a few right here, but I can't share them because my scanner is <cough> needing an ink refill. Imagine! I found I had to go about 40-50 magenta on the color head of the Omega D5XL for the perfect, rich and saturated yet crisp look. I'll share when I get these scanned. Have fun with your camera too! I am already loving my Voigtlander :)

rhmimac
06-20-2010, 10:50 AM
I got hold of 3 plate holders for the 9x12 cm plate camera which I still don't have identified properly. Short: compur shutter ZDM/IBT with "DF" marked on the front of the shutter time wheel / rodenstock f3.5-13,5cm lens #321392. I will put up some pics to question that issue in another thread.
Holders are 101x150mm x 4mm thick, edges 2mm 3 way around.

Novice 9x12 question: do I need to replace the green glass and put in a 9x12cm filmsheet to use the holder or do I put the filmsheet on top of the glass?

tnx for your answer!

rhmimac

Ian Grant
06-20-2010, 11:07 AM
The green glass is a plate, ruined by now :D

You need film inserts to convert the plate holders although a piece of black card will work.

There were many manufacturers of 9x12 cameras often very similar and quite a few used Rodenstock lenses, & |Rodenstock made cameras as well - I have one, my other an Orion Werks also has a Rodenstock lens, both take similar plate holders to yours.

The I is instant whatever shutter speed is set, the B is bulb, shutters open while the shutter release is depreseed (or cable realease) T is time, forts press opens the shutter, the second closes - usually used for focussing, or like B long exposures. (ZDM is the same but German symbols). DF is because the shutters made by Friedrich Deckel who also part owned Linhof.

Ian

rhmimac
06-20-2010, 11:16 AM
Many thanks Ian.

I'm really up to ordering some Ilford HP5+ 9x12 sheets in order to get some LF negs out of it which I will use for contact prints.

The green glass is a plate, ruined by now :D

You need film inserts to convert the plate holders although a piece of black card will work.


Just replace the glass with a card and put the film on it? The card must have some thickness to have the springs underneath pushed down I presume. Anything other special to have light leaks countered?



The I is instant whatever shutter speed is set, the B is bulb, shutters open while the shutter release is depreseed (or cable realease) T is time, forts press opens the shutter, the second closes - usually used for focussing, or like B long exposures. (ZDM is the same but German symbols). DF is because the shutters made by Friedrich Deckel who also part owned Linhof.

I assumed the above by playing with the shutter a bit.

rhmimac

Ian Grant
06-20-2010, 11:21 AM
What ever you do always rotate the shutter speed dial in the direction the arrow points when changing shutter speed, the wrong way and the shutter can be badly damaged and won't function.

Ian

Farside
06-20-2010, 03:39 PM
I'm really up to ordering some Ilford HP5+ 9x12 sheets in order to get some LF negs out of it which I will use for contact prints.
Or use Fomapan, much cheaper and available in 9x12. www.fomafoto.com



Just replace the glass with a card and put the film on it? The card must have some thickness to have the springs underneath pushed down I presume. Anything other special to have light leaks countered?

Or you could use a smear of jam to stick the film to the card or thin glass. I've not tried it, but another poster here has and it works.

puderse
09-13-2010, 10:29 AM
I have these three plate cameras that I traded with a Dutch Sergeant at Sheppard AFB back in the 80's. They seem to be w/o name except on the lenses. One of the larger ones has the name "HELFIX" on the bed but I can't get that to correspond to a brand name. One of the larger has an unmarked plate holder. The plate holder and the ground glass seem to interchange between the larger cameras. W/o a brand name I don't know what to look for in more plate holders. Should I be looking for plate holders based on measurements and style?

I think I might find a roll film holder for the smaller.

Farside
09-13-2010, 04:41 PM
The Ihagee looks as if it's the same holder as my Ihagee (which was a fairly common holder, shared by several makes). Most of them don't have any particular identifying names or marks, you'll just have to go by auction photographs of them or ask the vendor the size. The thin lipped ones (as you have) vary in length and how snugly they fit down in the slot. It's really just trial and error until you find enough to get you going. Best of luck finding film inserts for them - most of them seem to have got chucked out or lost.

puderse
09-14-2010, 03:27 PM
Would it perhaps be easier to find a 120 back to fit this camera? (The middle one)

Farside
09-14-2010, 05:28 PM
Oh, they're still around, I've seen a few on ebugger, but you still have to take a chance on what will fit.

Ian Grant
09-15-2010, 12:00 AM
There's an early Rollex that'll fit the camera and they are quite common. Plate holders are common as well and even ones that look quite rough clean up very easily. 9x12 films quite easy to get mail order, particularly from Europe.

It's easy to make a new focus screen, I've replaced them on all my 9x12's.

Ian

puderse
09-15-2010, 07:49 AM
This is not the only camera that I have that needs new glass. Do you have a source for the correct thickness of glass? All I can find at DFW glass companies is thicker glass that is probably used for bathroom windows. Does one need to cannibalize one of the parts cameras in the bin?

Ian Grant
09-15-2010, 08:55 AM
2mm glass is used for picture framing, there's framers in almost every town. I go to trade glass merchants in the UK, he makes almost all the double glazed units etc, but also carries picture glass, here in Turkey I get off cuts from my frame supplier.

Ian

k.hendrik
11-11-2010, 10:02 AM
I would like to add these film/plate holders: for the ERKO 9x12 length 139.9 width 100.4 & 4.4 mm thick. lip is 4 mm. No further info on the holders.
pics are following.
k.hendrik

Keenevision
03-11-2012, 11:06 PM
So confused! Anyone venture the difference between Zeiss Ikon plates numbered 665/2 and 665/3??? Saw them both online, don't know the difference...?

Ian Grant
03-12-2012, 05:26 AM
Well the 665/3 has straight sides (edges) with a lip on the bottom edge and is designed for 6.5x9cm film, I've seen two differing versions but they are the same fit/plate size. Somewhere I have a couple of scans with the Zeiss edges and codings I'll try and find it.

665/7's are 9x12 holders but I'm not sure about the 665/2's they appear to also be 6.5x9 with straight sides but possibly a slightly ndifferent fit.

Ian

jcoldslabs
03-12-2012, 07:40 AM
This is not germane to the above discussion, but should be posted here, I think. I posted it elsewhere before I saw this thread.

The photo below is of two slide-in 9x12 ICA holders I have. They are both the same size (outer dimensions 10x15cm) but have different numbers. Strange.

Jonathan

http://www.kolstad.us/ebay/ICA-721-and-722-Holders.jpg

Keenevision
03-12-2012, 09:42 AM
Actually Jonathan that's very helpful....
Thanks!

bugbugbug
03-12-2012, 06:17 PM
The German 1931 Zeiss Ikon catalog lists the 665/3 as a 6.5x9cm plate holder. This is for the slide-in holder type cameras. The 667/2 and the 668/2 are listed as 6.5x9cm film-pack holders, not sure how they differ, but they also seem to be for the slide-in type cameras.

Ian Grant
03-13-2012, 02:57 AM
Unfortunately some pre Zeiss Ikon cameras were still being made by factories which had come together to form Zeiss Ikon and while Zeiss rational ised slightly there were still some variations in the backs and plate holders.

No-one has produced an article or webpage that illustrates all the variations. What doesn't help is that many holders have no numbers or makers name.

Ian