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08-04-2008, 04:35 PM
I can't find a reference to anything by La Presse, but the case I'm thinking of was about photographer Gilles Duclos in the late 1990's. From the Supreme Court's ruling (http://www.canlii.org/en/ca/scc/doc/1998/1998canlii817/1998canlii817.html): "The right to oneís image is an element of the right to privacy under s. 5 of the Quebec Charter. If the purpose of the right to privacy is to protect a sphere of individual autonomy, it must include the ability to control the use made of oneís image. There is an infringement of a personís right to his or her image and, therefore, fault as soon as the image is published without consent and enables the person to be identified."
So, it's the court's opinion (majority decision) that Quebec's law governing the right to privacy includes the right to "control the use made of one's image" in general, no indication of whether harm was done or not.
Humm I didn't knew about this ruling. However, the La Presse affair is much more recent 2001 or 2002 I can't remember. Well, I think that it is a tricky legislation, since it won't be necessarely applied in all cases. Remember the Robert Doisenau affair in the '90 in France. There was a suit, even if legislation was not clear about the fact. I think we should simply continue to take picture of whatever we want and deal with issues later, and I doubt there will be any in most cases. After all, any criminal or suspect having its picture taken in Quebec by photojournalist could sue... and I don't think its happen very often.
Well, thanks for the precision!
08-04-2008, 06:58 PM
The best zoom to use for street photography is your feet. I would say that guy uses a 200mm because he doesn't really have the 'nads for real street photography.
Yeah. I want a 17-40 F4 zoom for street. I was shooting street that day with my 35mm.
08-04-2008, 07:02 PM
Well, personally a 135, 200, and 300 f/4 are some of my favorite street and candid photography lenses.
But the guy in the gallery was still full of $hit.
08-04-2008, 08:07 PM
I went to a gallery in Torontos distillery district today.
I saw some street done with just a tele 200mm lens.
I spoke to the photographer, and he said that a wide limits you in street photos.
Limits are set by the photographer, not equipment, but I understand what he meant.
He also said that Canon zooms are as good quality as Leica primes.
There is a bridge for sale here.
He also said that digi black and white is the same as film black and white.
I can't believe this.
That's a load of crap. (with frosting, and a cherry)
08-04-2008, 08:32 PM
What Jay said.
You need to start having your own opinion about things, Marco, and not using other people's opinions.
Jose A Martinez
08-04-2008, 09:00 PM
I went to a gallery in Torontos distillery district today. I saw some street done with just a tele 200mm lens. I spoke to the photographer, and he said that a wide limits you in street photos. He also said that Canon zooms are as good quality as Leica primes. He also said that digi black and white is the same as film black and white.
I can't believe this.
Me neither. Question is, how the images were?... did he sell?... 200 mm for street shooting? bull****... As Robert Capa said, if your photos aren't good is because you aren't close enough.
08-04-2008, 09:35 PM
Thats what I told him! Apparently he also shoots street with a 100-400 zoom.
08-04-2008, 10:29 PM
Apparently he also shoots street with a 100-400 zoom.
Apart from the issue of engaging your subject etc, a long lens will affect perspective severely. It might be useful for picking off people from the distance like a sniper but it will result in severely compressed backgrounds. Might be good for candid portraiture but I don't regard that as street photography really. If I shoot portraits on the street I want them to be environmental portraits, people interacting with their surroundings, with each other and, on occasion, with the camera.
This shot I almost consider to be a portrait on the streets - 21mm - I was barely 4feet away:
08-12-2008, 11:53 AM
Funny I have been doing all my (attempts at) Street Photography with a 50mm lens and have been pondering moving up to 85mm or 135mm and seeing how that works. I tend to prefer a fixed lens, somehow the zoom gives me too much fiddle time and whatever shot I thought I saw is gone in the flow of the crowd.
I always aim for 5 foot away (with the 50mm lens) from the individual who catchs my eye and I am often caught due to the proximity. (Aside: My height doesn't help either I fear at 6'6'' but that is another thread about leprecauns are the optimum height for Street Photography)
Anyway, I'm hoping being 10- 14 feet away will make those instances of being caught less frequent.
The main thing is though as I stumble blindly on in this journey is getting a good shot is still such a buzz and long may that continue.
08-12-2008, 04:34 PM
Simplicius, I'm actually going the other way with street photography. I started out with a 50mm, then 35/40mm.. now I'm really craving a 28mm!
We'll see how that works out. I'm also vertically gifted at 6'7" :) I haven't noticed any problem with that style of shooting so far, though. Maybe I'm just used to people gawking at me!
08-12-2008, 04:41 PM
Good street photography is not for the faint of heart, to over quote and perhaps misquote Robert Capa, "if your pictures are not good enough you are not close enough."
08-12-2008, 05:19 PM
In the late 60's and through the 70's 99 % of my photography was street photography. I had one camera and one lens a Pentax Spotmatic and a 50 mm F 1.4 lens. I still have that camera and lens. It remains my most favorite set up for "knocking about" in the street. At times I used the Rolleiflex 3.5 Tessar 80 mm.
Since I have added Nikon 35 1.4 , I have continued this series of street photos with the Pentax 50 mm and the Nikon 35 mm. I like late evening and night shots and bar room shots, and old alleys.
I recently -due to the currently low prices- have picked up other 50 mm primes.
The RF 645 Bronica, with the 65 mm lens I have worked with when light is not a problem, (lenses 45 mm , 65 mm and 100 mm are all F/4) its quality is exceptional, I like it for color and often use the tiny flash attached. Its vertical orientation I like for street portraiture.
As of late I have been working on becoming more fluent with the graflex and the 90 mm and the 135 mm 4 x 5. Also the 6 x 12 and 6 x 17 with 90 mm f/8. The Brooklyn bridge photo Matt Blaise used for the center of the Apug ad for a past Silver Convention was shot with this set up....90 mm and 6 x 17, hand held. You can see this camera in my gallery, in the tech gallery.
90 mm and 135 would be long on 35 mm cameras, but on 4 x 5 are normal and wide.
I have had minimal problems with the public. In NYC 2 years ago, a food stand vendor berated me, (in Chicago they loved the camera). Mix in with the crowd, act as if you belong in the environment, don't sneak about and hide, be agressively positive and positively agressive, keep moving.... hang out with Les McLean and develope an affinity for the wide lens and improve your people skills. Learn depth of field and to pre focus, your shorter lenses really shine here.
I know this post is asking about tele s in street photography. I like the look and perspective that is "normal" focal length to wide....if one needs to "get back" you can get the similar perspective by moving up in format size.
I really like street photography, as long as it it not a job, and has no apparent rhyme nor reason.... just the surprise of having the proof of what you thought you saw.
08-12-2008, 05:50 PM
[QUOTE=Dave Wooten;666571]In the late 60's and through the 70's 99 % of my photography was street photography. I had one camera and one lens a Pentax Spotmatic and a 50 mm F 1.4 lens. I still have that camera and lens. It remains my most favorite set up for "knocking about" in the street. At times I used the Rolleiflex 3.5 Tessar 80 mm.
I agree, most of the classic photojournilism done in the golden days of the
30s though the early 80s was done with a normal prime lens. Look at pictures from that time peroid of a gaggel of PJ mobbing someone, almost all used a TLR, 4X5 press camera or 35mm with a normal prime.
08-12-2008, 08:01 PM
Paul: James Nacthwey uses a 16-35mm zoom lens. :)
Funny, I just did a bunch of street photography in NYC. First time in NYC, only done it around town, here. I must say, it was exhilarating. Exciting, even. I did it with a 35mm, and wished I had a wider lens! lol
08-13-2008, 08:20 AM
I'm new to this forum and (almost) new to photography (I started two years ago with a Zenit E camera and a digital P&S and now I use digital but never gave up film), too and I like this kind of photography (street photography) the best. This kind of photos never made me get bored and usually no photo is like another.
Regarding what to use (tele, normal or wide) I think is also about what do we want to show in the photograph and how. I use all kind of focal lenghts for street shooting, starting from 28mm to 200mm especially whan I want do have a more narrow DOF.
I like the street photos from onexposure http://www.onexposure.net/?photos=street and of course the majority of the shots posted on http://www.in-public.com/photographers and http://www.public-life.org/photographers/ . Among them Bruce Gilden's way of making photos http://www.public-life.org/media/bruce-gilden/5/ striked me the most.
08-13-2008, 01:02 PM
Hi, welcome to the forum.
08-14-2008, 12:16 PM
For an in your face technique see Montecarlos post above on bruce gilden, magnum photographer, note the flash technique. Flash is not mounted on camera (leica rf) but held in hand. Bruce "confronts" each of his subjects from a few feet away....Bruce is a pro....is this technique for you? Just thought I'd ask...
Thanks Montecarlo and welcome to the forum
08-15-2008, 09:36 PM
"I use long lenses" "I use short lenses"
Ever notice how opinions are like assholes? Everybody's got one!
08-16-2008, 07:20 AM
Ever notice how opinions are like assholes? Everybody's got one!
And as my dear old daddy used to say, "...and they all stink." :D
08-16-2008, 07:31 AM
You can do street with any lens you want.
The thing is that you need to learn that one lens.
You have to learn how it sees the world, how it affects perspective, what kind of DOF it has, how fast it is.
You have to learn to compose with that lens.
That lens becomes your eyes.
With street you don't have the time to pick different lenses for different scenes.
You also need to be able to visualize the photograph before even bringing the camera to your eyes.
The most important thing is that, like I said, the lens becomes your eyes. The lens becomes the way you see the world, the way you create the photograph.
That's why you have to choose one lens, any lens and stick with it.