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mono
01-25-2009, 03:43 AM
Zustimmung!
Aber ob das bei der Mentalität klappen wird?

RMP-NikonPro
01-25-2009, 07:15 AM
NO WAY!

Wolfgang Moersch
01-25-2009, 07:43 AM
Folker, die Mentalität muß natürlich vor der Tür abgelegt werden.

RMP-NikonPro
01-25-2009, 10:15 AM
He He, Nur Spaß :p

robat
01-25-2009, 10:35 AM
Hm, ehrlich gesagt habe ich einen deutschsprachigen Teil noch nie vermisst. Wenn es einen geben wird werde ich sicherlich mal reinsehen, bei Problemen und Fragen werde ich aber bei dem englischsprachigen Teil bleiben.

rst
01-25-2009, 03:33 PM
Folker, die Mentalität muß natürlich vor der Tür abgelegt werden.Mich erinnern deutschsprachige Fotoforen immer an Asterix auf Korsika - Osolemirnix zu Azurix: "Aber dann bleibt immer noch die Sache mit deinem Urgroßvater, der den Esel nicht bezahlen wollte ..."

Grüße
Rüdiger

cmo
01-26-2009, 03:08 AM
Nun, die Moderation hier ist dezent, fair und unparteiisch, was man nicht von allen Foren sagen kann. Richtig schlimme Diskussionen gab es anderswo - ich nenne da keine Namen - immer wieder dann, wenn Produktanbieter über die Stränge schlugen. Das geschah meist, indem sie selbst oder mithilfe diverser Wölfchen im Schafspelz statt fairer, sachlicher und angemessen knapper Information etwas anderes lieferten, nämlich alles vereinnahmende Wortsturzbäche, die auch nicht davor halt machten, Kritikern mit dem Anwalt zu drohen und Wettbewerber zu verunglimpfen. So etwas funktioniert nur, wenn die Moderation einseitig zugunsten derartiger Selbstdarsteller denkt und mithilft. Ich bin sicher, so etwas wird es hier nicht geben.

Wir können selber vorbauen, indem wir uns bei Meinungsunterschieden an guten, hilfreichen Diskussionen hier orientieren.

Das Ziel eines solchen Forums ist doch vor allem, sich gegenseitig Wissen und Können zu vermitteln und dabei mit Freunden das schönste Hobby der Welt zu teilen.

Solange wir uns dabei das Recht auf eine andere Meinung und auf einen eigenen Geschmack zugestehen, wird das hier gut funktionieren.

Klopstock
01-26-2009, 03:15 AM
Wohl wahr, dies sollte nicht der nächste Kaninchenzüchterverein werden.

Was die Rolle der Firmen betrifft, Ilford zum Beispiel informiert hier auch, und das auf eine Weise, die völlig in Ordnung ist. Statt Krawallbrüdern jemanden wie Herrn Moersch hier zu sehen, stimmt mich optimistisch, daß es hier informativ und freundlich zugehen wird.

pcyco
01-26-2009, 03:51 AM
hallo

ihr könnt ja die technik dort lassen wo sie ist, dafür aber ein netzwerk des gedankenaustauschs aufziehen. soll ja nicht heissen das hier keine technischen fragen gestellt werden dürfen. mein englisch ist auch nicht so toll, man kann sich ja beim entziffern und übersetzen so mancher fremdsprachiger posts helfen.

gruss

thomas

RMP-NikonPro
01-31-2009, 06:09 PM
When are you going to start up your German group? (you've been talking about it since last year!):munch:

RMP-NikonPro
01-31-2009, 08:11 PM
I was hoping to ask this question in a German group! but here goes!
Can anyone help me? :munch:

I'm registered here in germany as a Photographer!

Now I'm getting letters from the Handwerkskammer demanding payment! but for what? who are they and what do they do?

Same thing goes for the Berufsgenossenschaft who are they? and why do they want money?

They both what money before I get it!

Are they a help! or are they just a group of old fat useless photographers that prey on new businesses?

Ulrich Drolshagen
01-31-2009, 08:50 PM
I was hoping to ask this question in a German group! but here goes!
Can anyone help me? :munch:

I'm registered here in germany as a Photographer!

Now I'm getting letters from the Handwerkskammer demanding payment! but for what? who are they and what do they do?

Same thing goes for the Berufsgenossenschaft who are they? and why do they want money?

They both what money before I get it!

Are they a help! or are they just a group of old fat useless photographers that prey on new businesses?

Handwerkskammern in Germany are remains of the mediaeval guild system. They are responsible for the organisation of apprenticeship and represent the interests of their respective profession against the authorities. In fact, to be allowed to run a craftshop, usually you even have to be certified master of your craft. This certification is done by the respective Handwerkskammer of your profession. Since a few years photographers are an exception from this rule. As a rule of thumb at least all crafts with security issues involved as it is the case with plumbers and electricians still need this certified mastership. The membership in the Handwerkskammer in any case is compulsory. I am afraid it can't be avoided.
The Berufsgenossenschaft is an insurance against accidents on the job. They are responsible for safety on the job and care for the medical treatment and rehabilitation of employees in case an a accident did happen. Here to, the membership is compulsory.

Ulrich

RMP-NikonPro
01-31-2009, 08:52 PM
The Berufsgenossenschaft is an insurance against accidents on the job. They are responsible for safety on the job and care for the medical treatment and rehabilitation of employees in case an a accident did happen. Here to, the membership is compulsory.

Ulrich

But I don't have any employees!!

Ulrich Drolshagen
02-01-2009, 05:09 AM
But I don't have any employees!!
It applies to yourself as well.
It's an important part of the German social welfare system. If you have have an accident on the job, they take care that you are not dependent on charity to make a living in case you can not be rehabilitated after an severe accident.

As this care is very expensive, they are responsible for the reduction of severe accidents too. They create regulations to make workshops save (they will visit you occasionally and look after the compliance of your shop with these regulations). I am cabinet maker in the first profession I have learned over twenty years ago. In former times you could tell a carpenter or a cabinet maker by the count of the fingers on their right hand. Thanks to the Berufsgenossenschaften this is not the case anymore.

BTW last night I forgot to mention a third institution which is an important part of the self organization of the German trade. It's the Innung. The membership is not mandatory as with the Handwerkskammer but they take an important role in the technical operation of the apprenticeships and approval of masters. They are not only organized by region and authoritative for all trades as a whole but are organized by profession and a region. These regions can be smaller or larger dependent on the count of shops in a region. Obviously you will find more barbers in a town as photographers. So each town or county will have it's own Friseurinnung this will not be the case with photographers.

Ulrich

Klopstock
02-01-2009, 05:52 AM
Ulrich is right, I just want to add that the Berufsgenossenschaften also operate some big, specialized hospitals:

These are specalized in treating injuries caused by accidents:
* Unfallkrankenhaus Berlin-Marzahn
* Berufsgenossenschaftliches Universitätsklinikum Bergmannsheil Bochum
* Berufsgenossenschaftliche Unfallklinik Duisburg-Buchholz
* Berufsgenossenschaftliche Unfallklinik Frankfurt am Main
* Berufsgenossenschaftliche Kliniken Bergmannstrost Halle (Saale)
* Berufsgenossenschaftliches Unfallkrankenhaus Hamburg
* Berufsgenossenschaftliche Unfallklinik Ludwigshafen
* Berufsgenossenschaftliche Unfallklinik Murnau (bei Garmisch-Partenkirchen)
* Berufsgenossenschaftliche Unfallklinik Tübingen

Two hospitals for occupational diseases:

* Klinik für Berufskrankheiten Bad Reichenhall
* Berufsgenossenschaftliche Klinik Falkenstein

Klopstock
02-01-2009, 05:56 AM
When are you going to start up your German group? (you've been talking about it since last year!):munch:

We are already here, and actually we can start posting right now.

It will just look better when the new forum software is there.

Klopstock
02-01-2009, 06:01 AM
http://www.apug.org/forums/forum190/58564-german-language-group-hier-geht-es-los.html#post745325

RMP-NikonPro
02-01-2009, 09:45 AM
So what's the difference between that and the Krankenkasse?

Ulrich Drolshagen
02-01-2009, 10:09 AM
So what's the difference between that and the Krankenkasse?

Krankenkassen pay for the treatment when you are ill or have an accident in your private life. Berufsgenossenschaften pay if you are injured in an accident on the job. Krankenkassen fees are paid by employees and employers half by half. Berufsgenossenschaften fees are paid by the one who runs the shop as he causes the risk to get injured by the way he runs it.
Both institutions are part of our social security systen which includes insurance against unemployment and and the social pension fund. The whole system was established in 1883 by Reichskanzler Bismarck attendant of his Sozialistengesetze in 1878 where he tried to get rid of the socialists by prohibiting the Sozialdemokratische Partei and the trade unions. The idea was that by bettering the social situation of the workers a socialist party would get less attractive for the working poor. In this he was wrong but his social security system turned out to be an excellent idea.

Ulrich

RMP-NikonPro
02-01-2009, 10:28 AM
Ok, so so that explains the Berufsgenossenschaft! many thanks

But why the Handwerkskammer if they don't do nothing?