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Ray Rogers
11-15-2010, 12:52 AM
I agree totally - Let them eat cake!


On short notice:
1 Down: Opposite of tame
2 Across: Unwanted paper
3 Across: To get on someone's nerves (slang)
4 Down: A masculine explicitive

Ray Rogers
11-15-2010, 01:59 AM
Maybe it is unwise to take financial advice from the financially challenged
Good night ya'll

Photo Engineer
11-15-2010, 11:36 AM
Maybe it is unwise for a retiree on a pension to try to do this. Especially alone!


Ray Rogers
11-15-2010, 01:21 PM
Maybe it is unwise for a retiree on a pension to try to do this. Especially alone!


Lucky you have a pension!
But, you're not alone.

Mustafa Umut Sarac
11-15-2010, 02:55 PM
I think there are two worldwide accepted ways to manufacture something.

First , American way , let a boss decide the colors of cars and produce them and blow in your hand.

Second , japanese way , production on demand

Third , after Japan blowed off , sell everything at a digital form with a digital payment.

Ron , If APUG ers are your only customers , sell the book via APUG as a download file.
It will cheap for you and for us.

To write a book is the result of investing your life in it. Every book comes in same way. So your book is not different from others . I will never be able to invest photography more than 200 dollars and American Economy is falling , so expensive books will not sell.

Lower the price make reachable to audience and the market.

Earn from the demand , not from the price. China sells a motorcycle for African Roads for 350 dollars , an Yamaha copy Tenor Sax for 125 dollars and You are thinking to sell your book for 100 dollars.

Many alternative people , BW people will buy it to search for a new idea. If the book comes expensive , they turn to alternative sources. I can now download millions of books from internet free.


11-15-2010, 06:45 PM
What, in God's gray Earth, is "blow in your hand"? Or is this something that I would rather not know?:whistling?:whistling::D

11-15-2010, 08:07 PM
What, in God's gray Earth, is "blow in your hand"? Or is this something that I would rather not know?:whistling?:whistling::D

It's a new way of putting it...

Photo Engineer
11-15-2010, 08:48 PM
Well, I now have the master copy of the book and the DVDs to go out for duplication and editing!

I hope to give out 4 - 5 copies next week or the week after to friends.


11-16-2010, 09:23 PM

Glad to hear it's looking ready - I look forward to seeing a final price and delivery options. Might ask for a copy (or disk) for my stocking this year.


Tim Gray
11-16-2010, 09:34 PM
Considering the amount of knowledge you have, the time you've put in, and the expense to you, around $100 seems like a fair price. I say go for color unless the color doesn't add much. I don't know how the graphics have been designed so I don't know how well they hold up in B&W or in gray.

A PDF version would be great too, if you could figure a way to not have to worry about it being passed around for free. PDF's are easily searchable.

11-16-2010, 09:39 PM
PE, I look forward to this a great deal!

I received my copy of the great book on Kodak Film production by Robert Shanebrook and that just whet my appetite for more.

I appreciate your sharing this knowledge with us!


Photo Engineer
11-16-2010, 09:50 PM
Ok, I have gone for full page text with 5" wide photos in color or B&W to show detail. Two column restricts detail too much and photos wider takes up too much vertical space.

Dont count on Christmas this year. I am sending 4 copies to friends for editing first. So, think May - Sept 2011.

The printer promised this PM, but never called. I expected to pick up the 4 copies this afternoon or early evening and no-go. So, I also have to depend on others.

By my figure, the Silver Nitrate alone cost me about $900 and printing costs were well over $300 so far.



Kirk Keyes
11-17-2010, 01:15 AM
Sorry I'm a bit late in posting, but whatever the price is, I'm in. Haveing spent a long evening a year and a half ago reading whichever version of the draft it was and also spending more than an hour watching the DVD, I'm willing and happy to pay $100 for even a B&W only version of this book. I know it will be well worth whatever price you decide to set.

Afterall, where else can someone get all that info in one place?

Ron - Congratulations on this labor of love. I know you've spent a lot of time and money on this book.


PS - if you need more reviewers...

PPS - I'm willing to send in $50 as a down-payment to help get the first run printed.

11-17-2010, 05:43 AM
PPS - I'm willing to send in $50 as a down-payment to help get the first run printed.

If a little cash in hand from subscribers will speed the process, I'm in too.


Alex Bishop-Thorpe
11-17-2010, 06:20 AM
Considering it is a textbook of some respectable volume (and labour), I'd pay more than $100USD for a copy. I dont mind saving for books, knowledge is the only thing worth investing in these days anyway.
I'm also heavily in favour of colour printing. It may not be art, but it is science - accuracy in the reproduction should be high on the agenda, and I dont think black and white would really cut it.

Photo Engineer
11-17-2010, 12:36 PM
Alright, looks like the $90 - $120 range is doable for the B&W version. I'm looking at the color version. I have 4 copies of the B&W version here for the editors and am about to dupe the DVDs. There may be a CD as well with some extras (cookies again). I'll keep you posted. The DVDs will probably be in the $100 range.


11-17-2010, 03:26 PM
Hi Ron
I am also in, if you ask for a cash deposit to help with your out of pocket expenses.
Just out of curiosity, what printing technology dose your printer use? I have seen some medical periodicals where the color printing looks fantastic, Art in and of itself. I am not suggesting that you go that far. I am sure that either the cost of subscription to these periodicals is astronomical. or the cost of advertising in them is cosmic,or both. Its just that Graphic Arts is a side-interest of mine. I admit, that I do not read these medical journals. I just "look at the pictures".

Photo Engineer
11-17-2010, 03:34 PM

I am looking from low end to high end on this. I made the editing copies in B&W with a color cover using low end technology. I quoted the price earlier. Well, the B&W was pretty bad, but the color was superb. The high end is probably a killer for this project in terms of price, but the high end was used for Bob's book. So, I'm still working on this.

I will be using one of our daughters for advice. She is an engineer for Xerox and an expert on these methods including the POD systems. So, I have an in-house expert so to speak (well in-family, as she has her own home ;) ).

I will be giving these 4 copies out to friends soon, and as they do their readover, I will be doing the bibliography and the index, neither of which are finished. As I may have said earlier, I am fighting with Word over the index. I hope I win.


11-17-2010, 04:38 PM
Oh, Word. Not the most... uhm... friendly or advanced program. It's like a rocket you have to build yourself, with half the parts missing.

Photo Engineer
11-18-2010, 09:29 PM
Well, here is the book cover - so far.

This is what is on the 4 copies going out to friends in about 2 weeks.