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3Dfan
05-27-2010, 09:32 PM
How about now?

Photo Engineer
05-27-2010, 10:10 PM
How about now?

Please see my recent posts for updates.

In May of 2009, my wife broke her leg. She was in a wheelchair for 6 months and a walker for about 3 months. She has just transitioned from 2 canes to 1 cane. In the mean time, I was a total care provider.

In spite of this, I have recently completed a new emulsion, details elsewhere, that moves the final "chapter" of the book forward.

Thanks for your interest. Sorry for the unavoidable delay.

PE

alexhill
05-28-2010, 01:11 PM
That's actually an excellent idea. You could sell the book/DVD with samples as your premium product at a premium price and the book/DVD sets without samples (or just photocopied samples) at a more entry level price. It could improve your $ bottom line nicely. You wouldn't have to bind the samples into the book. Just slip them into a pocket inside the cover, as I assume you're planning on doing with the DVD. The samples could be small. One 8x10 print would yield four pieces.

I know I'd spring for the premium set. You only had a few azo-type prints at our workshop three years ago. I'd love to see the progress you've made on a greater diversity of recipes.

Good luck with the editing. Not fun, but certainly part of the process.
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Ditto. Having samples on hand to compare to would be killer!

Photo Engineer
05-28-2010, 01:43 PM
Can you imagine making all of the prints needed to supply total sales of this book? Even 100 or 200 each of say 10 emulsions, would be too much to handle and what should I do about glass plates? That would be about 2000 samples of prints and negatives!

I usually make about 500 ml of emulsion at a time here. That will make about 80 8x10 sheets or 160 5x7 sheets for contact prints. That takes about 1 week to make and coat and then about another week to print, cut and etc.... You want me to do all of this as well as write the book? This would probably triple the cost of the book to cover the cost of Silver Nitrate, Gelatin, and utilities (heat and water mainly) and delay the book another year.

I could have ONE premium copy with all of the originals in it. That one would be the "museum" piece and I would probably put it at the Formulary! In fact, some of the original prints are at the Formulary, my having taught several Workshops there. Anyone visiting could probably get Bud to show some of them. IDK. It's up to him. I'm sure that he has them filed away.

PE

Formulary/Bud Wilson
05-28-2010, 01:46 PM
totally available for anybody to see. The rest of the place and Montana is also nice to see.
Bud

Q.G.
05-28-2010, 02:36 PM
totally available for anybody to see. The rest of the place and Montana is also nice to see.
Bud

Yeah, but, uhm... but... It's so far away...! :(

I'd love the book, without the samples.
I expect that what's not in it is not worth knowing about.
A rough estimate when it could become available? (This year, next year, that sort of thing?)

Graham06
05-28-2010, 02:36 PM
Can you imagine making all of the prints needed to supply total sales of this book? Even 100 or 200 each of say 10 emulsions, would be too much to handle and what should I do about glass plates? That would be about 2000 samples of prints and negatives!

PE
Free labour! As you show, it would clearly be a miserable task for you to make then all, but you apparently give emulsion making classes. You could include making a few samples for you as part of the price of admission. You could have people paying to make acceptable samples for you and they would be enjoying it too. Every class you'd pick a different emulsion.

Equipment limitations may limit what could be made, but maybe you could work something out. The market for the premium copy wouldn't be that high because of course it would still be much more expensive

Photo Engineer
05-28-2010, 02:59 PM
Graham;

I am not giving Workshops presently. One of the reasons is that I have to finish the book and that requires some research. I can't do too many things at one time or I do none of them well.

As for the book, I am doing the best I can. See post #42 above. This last year has not been a picnic for me and I am more than a year behind schedule. That is unacceptable to me, but unavoidable.

The book is 235 pages long with over 100 photos or illustrations. I have 2 more formulas to add. One is complete but very fast and foggy. I have to fix some problems. Due to its nature, it used a huge quantity of Silver Nitrate. I may omit both of them against the advice of those who suggested that I add them.

Next, I have to re-proof the writing and have some friends proof it as well, and then I have to get copyright ok to use a few illustrations from other photo books (or omit them and just give references). Either way takes time. This will probably require EK to see the book and that is a potential delay there. In one case, it took them several years to read the book of an associate, as these are not high priority items for them.

I had hoped that it would be out there right now, but with about a 1 year delay, you see where that puts me. Again, please read my post above. I'm doing the best I can, believe me. I split my day between the lab and the PC, with days off writing and calculating new formulas or just thinking of how to do things new ways. It took me months to get the vAg measurements working and reliable (a suggested addition to the book) and it took 3 months to get reliable small gauge tubing for the pumps.

I hope this helps. Sorry for the delay.

But, if you wish to volunteer, order a bottle of Formazo from the Formulary and make me 100 4x5 contact prints. Use either Baryta paper or any 100# Hot press paper. :D Even better, make that 100 8x10 contact prints. :D :D

PE

argentic
05-28-2010, 04:09 PM
I might add, without revealing too much, that my book may be eclipsed totally by another book that is at about the same stage of development as mine, but is going to be a real blockbuster when it arrives.

Not one new quality darkroom book but two ? WOW !! Count me in for both !! Where can I subscribe ?

wildbillbugman
05-29-2010, 01:12 AM
Ron,
All of your delays are unfortunate, but certainly understandable. But what are the excuses for the "Other Guy" who is supposed to be writing the "Other Book"?
Bill

Photo Engineer
05-29-2010, 01:15 AM
Bill;

There are no delays except for "Kodak approval"!!!!! :D :D Wink wink, nod nod.

PE

rmazzullo
05-29-2010, 06:57 AM
Please see my recent posts for updates.

In May of 2009, my wife broke her leg. She was in a wheelchair for 6 months and a walker for about 3 months. She has just transitioned from 2 canes to 1 cane. In the mean time, I was a total care provider.

In spite of this, I have recently completed a new emulsion, details elsewhere, that moves the final "chapter" of the book forward.

Thanks for your interest. Sorry for the unavoidable delay.

PE

PE,

I am very sorry to hear about your wife's injuries. I know being a caregiver is extremely demanding, and important. You report that Mrs. M is recovering which is wonderful news; you are both in my prayers.

Bob M.

P.S. I am still here, folks.

JOSarff
05-29-2010, 12:42 PM
Ron:

My wife and I send you and your wife our best wishes. Renee broke her knee in January, had surgery, and is just know back on her feet with a cane.

Joe

Photo Engineer
05-29-2010, 01:09 PM
Thanks Joe, thanks Bob.

Ron Mowrey

wildbillbugman
05-29-2010, 02:57 PM
I have even contemplated having samples of the various raw papers and films bound with the book, but that might be overkill. It might also be too expensive.

PE[/QUOTE]

Ron, Discrimination:(!! If you are gonna include paper and acetate, you need to include sheets of the various kinds of GLASS that can be printed on.
Bill:D:D

wildbillbugman
05-29-2010, 03:07 PM
Due to its nature, it used a huge quantity of Silver Nitrate. I may omit both of them against the advice of those who suggested that I add them.



PE[/QUOTE]

Ron,
Please listen to your advisers and include them. You could include a disclaimer stating that one can make them at ones own expense.
Bill:munch:

Photo Engineer
05-29-2010, 03:23 PM
Bill;

Send me a few hundred of your glass plates and I'll have them mounted in the cover. No formula, just the plates so that everyone can see them! :D

JK of course.

As for those 2 emulsions, I will probably have to make them 2 or 3 times each to iron out the kinks. That is nearly 6 pounds of Silver Nitrate! This is why I am debating the issue with myself.

PE

hrst
05-29-2010, 05:18 PM
I'm sure there will be numerous donators to help with this research especially as it will help the book. I'm waiting Formulary to put up the system so I can donate my humble bit for PE's silver nitrate.

Graham06
05-29-2010, 05:35 PM
Graham;

I hope this helps. Sorry for the delay.

But, if you wish to volunteer, order a bottle of Formazo from the Formulary and make me 100 4x5 contact prints. Use either Baryta paper or any 100# Hot press paper. :D Even better, make that 100 8x10 contact prints. :D :D

PE

Getting people to send samples is an even better idea. I might even take your suggestion, but it will take me a while.

(I wasn't trying to hurry you up. You clearly have your priorities right. This is a project for the joy of it, and we follow along with interest.)

Photo Engineer
05-29-2010, 06:34 PM
Graham;

Thanks. Sometimes it feels like I am back at work and I'm my boss. I don't like me telling me what to do! :D

OTOH, I do have to kick myself to get started as this is difficult work and getting harder and harder. In addition, no one seems interested in it around here at all. We used to have parties for RIT students here and visitors all the time, but now all I hear is "you are on your own". Analog is not a current interest in these parts. When most of us retire or leave EK, they abandon photography completely or go to digital.

PE