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mikebarger
11-25-2010, 08:27 AM
Neither of us know the internal factors that drive individual companies in their pricing schemes, you or me. Both of us are offering 2 cent guesses.

Mike

Bob Carnie
11-25-2010, 09:21 AM
Mirko

Is the fibre MG paper ever going to be available in larger 100ft rolls?

Bob

Mike,

Maybe we should have raised the price for 25 sheet boxes in order to offer "political savings" on 100 sheet boxes.

But on the other hand thatīs just not how we like to do business.

Letīs see what the future brings.

Thanks,

Mirko


BTW Fomafoto has nothing to do with Foma Bohemia SRO.

Jerevan
11-25-2010, 09:23 AM
Is it this you are looking for, Bob?

http://www.fotoimpex.de/shop/fotopapier/schwarzweiss-barytpapier-variable-gradation/adox-mcc-110-rolle-106cm-42-x-10-m-premium-line-glaenzendes-barytpapier.html

Bob Carnie
11-25-2010, 10:36 AM
Looks like it , the 10 meter length is always problematic with any roll paper I have used. basically by the time it lands in toronto the roll is really curly and almost impossible to work with. I prefer the 100 ft length as it lays flat better.

thanks for the link

Is it this you are looking for, Bob?

http://www.fotoimpex.de/shop/fotopapier/schwarzweiss-barytpapier-variable-gradation/adox-mcc-110-rolle-106cm-42-x-10-m-premium-line-glaenzendes-barytpapier.html

Ulrich Drolshagen
11-25-2010, 10:50 AM
Neither of us know the internal factors that drive individual companies in their pricing schemes, you or me. Both of us are offering 2 cent guesses.

Mike
This is not completely correct. Mirko gave us an idea of the differences in production costs already. With let's say three package sizes instead of only one you will have to stock three items instead of one with every size you make. You definitely would have to take stock- and shortfall costs into consideration in calculating end user prices as Mirko - as being a manufacturer and distributor- has to. It's not guessing but knowledge of merchants practice here. As with Ilford these costs have to be calculated by the distributors though, assuming Ilford - as a mere manufacturer - is not holding stock. As to the amount of these costs it's -you are right here- just guessing.

Ulrich

Jerevan
11-25-2010, 10:54 AM
Bob,

it is possible you know this already, but there are 100 ft rolls too.

AgX
11-25-2010, 11:02 AM
Looks like it , the 10 meter length is always problematic with any roll paper I have used. basically by the time it lands in toronto the roll is really curly and almost impossible to work with. I prefer the 100 ft length as it lays flat better.

Any idea about the cause?

Bob Carnie
11-25-2010, 11:28 AM
News to me , I have been asking Mirko this question from day one and never a reply. I must be on his ignore list.


Bob,

it is possible you know this already, but there are 100 ft rolls too.

Bob Carnie
11-25-2010, 11:30 AM
I would guess the humidity changes from Europe, Boat, Canada. smaller roll may allow deeper penetration of differing humidity.
It was a problem with all the 10meter rolls I have ever ordered with every manufacturer paper.

Any idea about the cause?

Jerevan
11-25-2010, 11:32 AM
News to me , I have been asking Mirko this question from day one and never a reply. I must be on his ignore list.

Strange - it's here, anyway:

http://www.fotoimpex.de/shop/fotopapier/schwarzweiss-barytpapier-variable-gradation/adox-mcc-110-rolle-106cm-42-x-30-m-premium-line-glaenzendes-barytpapier.html

Bob Carnie
11-25-2010, 12:01 PM
Thank you , I appreciate this

Strange - it's here, anyway:

http://www.fotoimpex.de/shop/fotopapier/schwarzweiss-barytpapier-variable-gradation/adox-mcc-110-rolle-106cm-42-x-30-m-premium-line-glaenzendes-barytpapier.html

AgX
11-25-2010, 12:51 PM
Bob,

it is possible you know this already, but there are 100 ft rolls too.


News to me , I have been asking Mirko this question from day one and never a reply. I must be on his ignore list.

Bob, maybe you are some list. But rather that of oblivion...

You raised that question of long rolls of barytated paper before and were already referred to 100' rolls MCC:

http://www.apug.org/forums/viewpost.php?p=1067036


To my own surprise I did not forget that.

Bob Carnie
11-25-2010, 01:52 PM
I seem to be confused with the availability. In 2001 I ran Agfa Classic through my Lambda and was successful making mural prints. I loved the fact I could process with safelight and as well the warmth of the paper.
It now seems that this is new emulsion and not just leftover Classic rebranded and in new boxes. I am not interested in this option.
I have not been convinced that Adox made the new emulsion in large rolls.
This now seems to be fact , or at least it seems probable but I have wanted to hear this directly from the horses mouth before purchase.
I will phone Freestyle next week and give it a go.

Bob, maybe you are some list. But rather that of oblivion...

You raised that question of long rolls of barytated paper before and were already referred to 100' rolls MCC:

http://www.apug.org/forums/viewpost.php?p=1067036


To my own surprise I did not forget that.

AgX
11-25-2010, 02:03 PM
Now I got your point.
But if someone would have got old long rolls of paper and wanted to re-brand it, he rather would cut it down. Anyway I never thought of that re-branding thing, but now I see the conclusions you made from Mirko not answering.

I would buy that paper without hesitating.

Jerevan
11-25-2010, 03:18 PM
Thank you , I appreciate this

You're welcome, always glad to help if I am able! :)

Bob Carnie
11-25-2010, 04:23 PM
I can confuse myself on any given day. Heres hoping its a new emulsion and works in my Lambda.
If it has the same characteristics it will work on my lambda which opens up a warmtone paper for my clients.

Now I got your point.
But if someone would have got old long rolls of paper and wanted to re-brand it, he rather would cut it down. Anyway I never thought of that re-branding thing, but now I see the conclusions you made from Mirko not answering.

I would buy that paper without hesitating.

ADOX Fotoimpex
11-26-2010, 02:52 AM
Bob,

freestyle told me that you are in contact and since then I got this point off my list thinking it was all sorted out in respect to information flow.

We only have a limited amount of MCC in 30 meter rolls in stock now (abut 10 pce) and I have not started marketing it towards you and other labs because I canīt reproduce wide rolls at this point and didnīt want to create a demand which then canīt be supplied.

(We had a pencil line on all masterrolls of the last production in the summer and thus we can cut around for sheets but cant make wide rolls).

The next coating will probably take place in march so we expect to be able to fill orders reasonably in Mai and then I wanted to start spreading the word.
We are now out of 10 meter rolls already and thus we put the 30 meter rolls up in the webshop as an alternative.


Kind regards,

Mirko

ADOX Fotoimpex
11-26-2010, 03:40 AM
Ulrich, Mike,

we are among the named paper manufacturers the smallest and because we are a new company we have write offs in our calculation.
Thus our production price per sqm is higher than with the competition.

We need to sell our paper to peole who value the options of another alternative.
MCC is unique and has highest quality. It features a silver chloride silver bromide emulsion alowing it to be developed both cold and warm. It is in general competitively priced with some exceptions.
If someone shops very price oriented and comes acros such an exeption MCC is probably not the best choice.

No one is making heaps of money in this industry.

Our goal is to proof that analogue materials can be made in a large variety and at fair prices- even on a small scale.
This ensures supply for you all in the future.

We are not price leaders and never intended to become such.

Ulrich made a good point. We are struggeling to finance our stock between coating cycles. Our balance sheet has more than tripled in the last 2 years and still we are sometimes out of certain sizes for a few weeks. If I was to create another article like e.g. 100 sheet boxes of 8x10 the material going into these boxes has to be prefinanced for an average of 9 months and the confectioning expenses for about 3 months. This needs capital or I make less of the other sizes running a higher risk to run out of 16x20 for example.
And we are not talking about hundreds of euros here. We are talking hundreds of thousdands per paper product.

This is why I asked in the beginning if anyone would be interested in 100 sheets with a 2 dollar discount.
The response was as I expected it.

There is also a handling savings advantage in a bigger box. Factoring this all in we might be able to get to a 5-6 dollar saving.

Would that start to be more interesting ?

Mirko

Tom Kershaw
11-26-2010, 04:45 AM
Mirko,

I understand your logic for the 25sh packs of 8x10. However, would it be possible in the future to pack the larger paper sizes that already come boxed in sturdier boxes, e.g. along the lines of the ILFORD product? I find the Adox boxes tend to come apart rather easily.

Tom

Ulrich Drolshagen
11-26-2010, 05:13 AM
Mirko,

I understand your logic for the 25sh packs of 8x10. However, would it be possible in the future to pack the larger paper sizes that already come boxed in sturdier boxes, e.g. along the lines of the ILFORD product? I find the Adox boxes tend to come apart rather easily.

Tom
And please make them a little larger so that I can stuff the bag back into the box without kinking the corners of the paper.