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michaelbsc
08-12-2009, 08:14 PM
OK, I know I've lost my mind, but I can blame my wife. Iím thinking of building a ULF from a carcass.

I just picked up an old Argyle 18 process camera for going to get it. I wanted the Rodenstock lens for my monorail, which seemed to be well worth spending an hour to go pick up the camera. (OK, it's a process lens designed for flat field; I know. But for the gas money, it's worth it. I am never going to have the money to buy a 'new' any kind of lens. And besides that, what good is owning a pickup truck if you don't haul 'stuff' in the back of it.)

Well, now I'm thinking about this pretty hard. The camera itself seems to be in about 8.5 of 10 shape. Looks a little ragged on the frame, but it's solid and clearly still works fine despite the fact that it's been sitting in a corner for several years.

Over the years I've accumulated a host of stuff that begins to make this look feasible.

I've got a bellows and a decent front standard from the Argyle. The bellows is light tight and in good shape. The draw seems a little short since it's designed to use the wide angle lens for camera ready artwork, not a long lens. (This may be the deal breaker.)

I do note that the front standard on the Argyle clearly isn't designed to provide movements. It's for taking flat pictures, and that's it.

The Argyle ground glass and vacuum are fine, but it seems to me that if one wanted to make an 11x14 I need to fabricate a real 11x14 back and find film holders. Coincidentally, I have Kodak 11x14 ground glass that I got for the taking some years ago. (Another long drive, but worth the haul of various treasures there.)

I also have a large pneumatic Packard Shutter in excellent shape from another treasure to trash find a few years ago.

How do I blame my wife for this? Well, she's determined to make 11x14 platinum contact prints. So far, my largest film format is 4x5, and I have thought about trying to snag a 5x7 on the large auction site. But both of those would require a mixed process flow. I would have to scan the negative, print an 11x14 transparency, and let her print from that. I know that works, but she has no objection to using a real 11x14 negative. So she's encouraging this. (Buying a Deardorf is out of the question, however. Some cockamamie nonsense about needing to eat regularly gets in the way.)

Now, is this insane? Is the old Argyle a reasonable platform to start converting? Or should I abandon that idea and convert it into a horizontal enlarger instead?

Anyone have any advice other than speak to my therapist soon?

richard ide
08-12-2009, 09:35 PM
Michael,
Do you want to use it as a copy camera to make 11 x 14 negatives, or do you want to use it in the field? ;<)
It would make the beginings a great enlarger. I converted a process camera into a giant enlarger and was restricted by bellows length as well. I got around that by making nesting boxes which rested on the camera body when needed between the negative vacuum projection back I built and the original bellows. The camera bellows only streched to 60" and I could extend it with these to over 96".
For field use you could make a really simple ULF camera using the bellows.

ic-racer
08-13-2009, 03:29 PM
I agree with richard, I'd use it to make an enlarger.

eworkman
08-14-2009, 11:11 AM
No reason not to go for it. The holders may be the wor$t of it. A spring back is not TOO hard to do, but may take a few tries. you have everything else, all you need is time and determination, in lieu of boocoobucks. And another thing, if the cost of 11x14 film affects your appetite, practice with Xray film, about which there have been several recent posts. Jim Fitzgerald shoots it in his homemade 11x14 and will encourage you to go for it. Why squander your income on food and shelter?

Jim Fitzgerald
08-15-2009, 10:22 PM
Ed is right! Food and shelter and a wife for that matter! Don't need much of either. I'd go for it! The holders are the costly item in 11x14. You will be lucky if you can find some use ones for 250-350. The x-ray film is fragile but cheap as hell. How about 60 cents new! Comes in 100 sheet boxes. Building a bach is not that hard. If I can do it for my 8x20 from scratch then I'm sure you can too.

Jim

3e8
09-21-2009, 05:02 PM
Any progress on this? I have the oppertunity to purchase an Argyle 18, and was thinking of converting it to an 11X14 enlarger.

Cheers,
Bryan

mike c
09-21-2009, 05:39 PM
11x14 contacts seem big enough,make great carbon or palladium prints,how big would want to go with a 11X14neg? I say camera if it ain't to heavy .

Mike

Jim Fitzgerald
09-21-2009, 10:12 PM
Mike, 11x14 camera is my choice also depending on weight then 11x14 carbon transfers by all means.

Jim

nawagi
09-23-2009, 04:11 PM
Get a copy of Alan Greene's "Primitive Photography". It has a detailed section on making film holders that is very good. Another idea is Otto Dippold's manuals - he wrote them on both camera making and film holder constuction. Otto used to sell them on eBay- but I haven't seen them there in a while.

Another take on the xray film thing- use lith film and develop it in exhausted dektol. Freestle has a bunch of 11x14 lith films that won't break the bank and yield a very nice continuous tone negative- but exposure times will be long.

NWG

Rick A
09-23-2009, 08:26 PM
This is a great subject to chat about I picked up an 18"x24" repro camera a few months ago, thought I'd try my hand at screen printing. When I got the beast home, I thought WOW a great enlarger! Now we're selling our house and moving out of state, and I cant take it with. So if anyone wants it, PM me, and I'll try to email you some pix. See my ad in the classifieds. BTW this thing weighs well over 300lbs, but its intact, and the bellows is light tight, and has a Goertz lens. I have all the accessories, and vac for it.
Rick

janikphoto
09-24-2010, 12:37 AM
I also got an argyle 18 with this same plan. I paid $40 for the camera, and it took an hour out there and an hour back. I found an 11x14 holder on ebay for $135 and snagged it. There are a couple for $150-175, but many are $300-400, so start shopping for the deals! My big issue is the back. I want to try and salvage an old one, if possible. If I can't find one, I guess I'll try to build one. You can find 11x14 back springs and GG on ebay every so often, so, you'd just need to cut some wood and cobble it all together - and pray it was all square and sturdy!

Anyway, I'll eventually find a way to add simple movements to the front and back, and take it off the legs/support it currently needs. We'll see how it goes.

by the way, here is mine:

http://janikphotography.blogspot.com/2010/07/talk-about-large-format-photography.html

michaelbsc
09-24-2010, 07:51 AM
I also got an argyle 18 with this same plan. I paid $40 for the camera, and it took an hour out there and an hour back. I found an 11x14 holder on ebay for $135 and snagged it. There are a couple for $150-175, but many are $300-400, so start shopping for the deals! My big issue is the back. I want to try and salvage an old one, if possible. If I can't find one, I guess I'll try to build one. You can find 11x14 back springs and GG on ebay every so often, so, you'd just need to cut some wood and cobble it all together - and pray it was all square and sturdy!

Anyway, I'll eventually find a way to add simple movements to the front and back, and take it off the legs/support it currently needs. We'll see how it goes.

by the way, here is mine:

http://janikphotography.blogspot.com/2010/07/talk-about-large-format-photography.html

Glad to hear that there's another one is in this game.

Honestly, so far I've done nothing more than move the camera a couple of times to get it out of my way.

I really need to win the lottery so I'll have time to take care of all this important stuff that generates no income.

Sean
09-25-2010, 07:16 PM
test

michaelbsc
09-25-2010, 08:22 PM
test

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noslack62
10-26-2010, 03:22 PM
i just picked up a Argyle mod number G 23 and i don't have any idea what it dose or what it is please help me

michaelbsc
10-27-2010, 05:58 PM
i just picked up a Argyle mod number G 23 and i don't have any idea what it dose or what it is please help me

Not sure about the G23. I'm not much of an Argyle expert.

The model 18 I originally posted about is a horizontal process camera.

janikphoto
12-07-2010, 02:24 AM
Yeah, I haven't done anything except pick up an 11x14 film holder off ebay. I'm going to buy an old 11x14 back with ground glass and attach it to the rear standard. Then, eventually, I'll do more mods... once I feel comfortable using it. Eventually...

John Jarosz
12-07-2010, 06:22 AM
I too have recently gotten an Argyle camera. It's the model 23 which is 20x24. Came with a NuArc 300mm lens (which only covers at 1:1) and the vacuum generator to hold the film in the back. I'm going to make it into a 16x20 camera and then most likely sell it. (maybe a wetplate version if there's any interest). I'd like to see others ideas on this subject so please post pictures if you have something to show.

John

Mario Garza
01-20-2011, 07:43 PM
Hi, guys this is a general question about this camera Talking about Argyle 23 my concern at this moment is to know how much would it cost a camera like this, please consider that is a complete one. Also is in good working condition and complete. Hope someone know price Thanks.