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JPD
10-01-2009, 01:46 PM
JPD, do you mean that what I vaguely see is not a filter thread, just "striations"?
They are the threads for the front element retaining ring. You can measure the inner diameter and try a screw-in filter of that size. It might work.

Philippe Grunchec
10-01-2009, 04:47 PM
Believe me, it is not easy to find a filter in that size and TRY: I was expecting someone would KNOW-:)

JPD
10-01-2009, 10:58 PM
Believe me, it is not easy to find a filter in that size and TRY: I was expecting someone would KNOW-:)
I believe you. It can't be fun to find a filter in the correct size, but find out that the threads are wrong. :p

Someone that could help you should be this collector: http://www.cinci.de/plat_berg3.html He seems to own two 9x12 Bergheils with Radiar. You can email him.

If screw-in filters are impossible to use, get push-on filters. They can be found, and most of them can be combined. Hey, I have many filters in 27, 28,5, 29, 30, 32, 37 and 42 mm for my cameras, and 90% of them can be combined. I sometimes stack them in my storage box. :)

Philippe Grunchec
10-02-2009, 06:54 AM
Thank you so much! I've emailed him.

edp
10-07-2009, 09:44 AM
Ole, Have you met someone who uses Bergheil 6x9 (or 9x12) DeLuxe green version equiped with Heliar f/3.5 lens?

I am curious if they have larger (diameter) hole in the lensboard... I can not confirm my suppositions...

My green 6.5x9 Bergheil with f/3.5 10.5cm Heliar has a hole about 42.5 or 43mm in the lens board, just slightly larger than the nut holding the bayonet ring. The f/3.5 Heliar needs a bigger shutter (Compur 1) than the f/4.5 one does, so I'd expect the lens board hole to be a larger diameter.

I have a 7.5cm lens which I have yet to fabricate a bayonet ring for (I'm sure there's a market for these things if somebody can have them made cheaply), but I wonder if the bed will intrude into the frame unless I use all the available rise movement. I'd certainly expect the bed to intrude with any lens shorter than 75mm fitted.

Anton Lukoszevieze
10-07-2009, 06:15 PM
This is slightly away from this topic, but does anyone know if a Schneider angulon 90mm will screw into the hole that my Zeiss Tessar 13.5cm lens screws into on my 9x12 folder?

Ian Grant
10-08-2009, 03:56 AM
No, the 90mm Angulon fits a Compur 0, your Dial-set Compur/Tessar is a bit smaller than a Rimset Compur 1 which the later 135mm & 150mm Tessar's fit. The Angulon isn't in the 1933 Zeiss catalogue so came out after the shutter switch. I have just double checked by physically trying :D

Ian

Anton Lukoszevieze
10-08-2009, 04:53 AM
OK, thank you very much Ian, I find fitting lenses to different shutters and holes mind boggling sometimes. I know where I am with brass lenses and wooden holes! Any progress on film inserts for 9x12 holders?

Ian Grant
10-08-2009, 05:08 AM
Any progress on film inserts for 9x12 holders?

Hopefully when I go back to the UK, maybe next month. I'll get the drawings ready.

Ian

renes
10-10-2009, 08:42 AM
My green 6.5x9 Bergheil with f/3.5 10.5cm Heliar has a hole about 42.5 or 43mm in the lens board, just slightly larger than the nut holding the bayonet ring. The f/3.5 Heliar needs a bigger shutter (Compur 1) than the f/4.5 one does, so I'd expect the lens board hole to be a larger diameter.

I have a 7.5cm lens which I have yet to fabricate a bayonet ring for (I'm sure there's a market for these things if somebody can have them made cheaply), but I wonder if the bed will intrude into the frame unless I use all the available rise movement. I'd certainly expect the bed to intrude with any lens shorter than 75mm fitted.

Thanks for this info. It seems the Bergheil 6x9 were made only with 36mm hole in lens board (with Heliar 105/4.5) and 42,5mm (with Heliar 120 & 105/4.5 lenses). The bayonet versions.

I just bougth two new Bergheils: 6x9 with Heliar 120mm and 9x12 with Heliar 150mm, and the 9x12 has 47mm hole in lens board (comparing to 44mm in the first 9x12 one I bought). I bought also Angulon 90/6.8, few users reported that it fits to 9x12 Bergheil, as the Angulon 65/6.8 to 6x9 one. Now I try to find info it there is any vintage 180mm lens (Goerz/Zeiss Dagor, Dallmeyer, Cooke, Gundlach, Bausch & Lomb) that I can adopte and use with my 6x9 Bergheil, and 240mm lens with 9x12. All probably are f/6.3-6.8).

edp
10-10-2009, 09:22 AM
I wonder if anybody uses the Voigtländer Tele-Dynar lenses that were available for these cameras in various focal lengths from 14 to 32cm. http://www.cameraeccentric.com/img/info/voigtlander_1/voigtlander_1_28.jpg

There are a couple that are continually available from an infamous retailer on a well-known internet auction site at crazy stratospheric prices. I've never come across a sensibly-priced one.

renes
10-10-2009, 11:49 AM
I wonder if anybody uses the Voigtländer Tele-Dynar lenses that were available for these cameras in various focal lengths from 14 to 32cm. http://www.cameraeccentric.com/img/info/voigtlander_1/voigtlander_1_28.jpg

There are a couple that are continually available from an infamous retailer on a well-known internet auction site at crazy stratospheric prices. I've never come across a sensibly-priced one.

I also was trying to find someone who used it (Tele-Dynar 25,5cm) with Bergheil 9x12 but did not. Indeed the prices are very high. I would like to see photo examples Tele-Dynar produces. Wonder how it does in b&w landscape.

gandolfi
10-20-2009, 05:23 AM
I also was trying to find someone who used it (Tele-Dynar 25,5cm) with Bergheil 9x12 but did not. Indeed the prices are very high. I would like to see photo examples Tele-Dynar produces. Wonder how it does in b&w landscape.

I just got one!
not for 9x12, but for my newly bought Bergheil 6,5x9.
25.5cm F6.3

I havn't used it yet, but I have just put film in the cassette, so I'll get back as soon as I have something to report...

The prices of the beforementioned seller is really really high!

I just got this Bergheil 6,5x9 with two Radar cassettes (with inlays for 6x6 and 4.5x6) - three lenses (Heliar 120mm F4.5 - Schneider Xenar 105mm F3.5 and Tele-Dynar 25.5 F6.3) - hoods - 9 filters.. All in VERY good condition.

All of it for 200€ (about 300$).

I think I was quite lucky...:D

renes
10-20-2009, 03:16 PM
gandolfi, you are really lucky. Congratulations!

Could you measure the mounting thread diameter? I was not able to find it.
And has the lens thread for filters? What is the size?

I have really mint Heliar 150/4.5 lens (have 2), if you would consider for trade (to Tele-Dynar) let me know... soon I will put it for sale for 310$.

edp
10-20-2009, 03:43 PM
Could you measure the mounting thread diameter? I was not able to find it.

Size 1 shutter.



And has the lens thread for filters? What is the size?

46.9mm push-on.

http://www.cameraeccentric.com/img/info/voigtlander_1/voigtlander_1_28.jpg

renes
10-22-2009, 04:48 PM
Thanks. Filters diameters are unique.

Andreas
11-27-2009, 06:39 PM
If ou plan to toy around with several old lenses with different filter sizes, I strongly recomend to go for the old series filters with holders. Series filters can be found in a few different sizes, and the holders come in every imaginable size, both slip-on and screw-in. The idea is that one set of filters can fit different holders for different lenses. I had a lot of trouble and expenses collecting slip-on filters. But then I was given a set of Leitz series VI (roman 6 that is) filters and discovered the advantages of this system. Now I have holders for 31,5mm, 36,5mm and 42mm slip-on and 39mm screw-in. I also have different lens shades that screw into the holders (replacing the filter retaining rings. Remember that lens shades are an absolute must for old uncoated lenses. There also are series V and VII filters (at least), but I think series VI is the best alternative for 6,5x9 and 9x12 cm plate cameras. They are 41,5mm in diameter, and the very common 42mm slip-on size is perhaps the largest ou can go with these. If you need bigger holders, I think you vill need to go for series VII. American e-Bay is the place to look, as the series system was more common in USA than in Europe. You'll easily find several filters in one place, so you can save postage and time. Good luck!

Philippe Grunchec
03-07-2010, 10:29 AM
Believe me, it is not easy to find a filter in that size and TRY: I was expecting someone would KNOW-:)

The answer is: 25,5x0,5

Philippe Grunchec
07-21-2010, 11:43 AM
I have a Voigtländer Bergheil 9x12 with a 6.8/135 Radiar on Compur: both lens and shutter work perfectly, and I'll try the lens on my Toyo 45AII.

Does someone know which filter thread this lens has? Is it 25.5x0.5?

My "Bergheil" is in fact an Avus, I'm afraid!

renes
08-07-2010, 09:52 AM
Ok, I have already adapted to my Bergheil 6x9 theses lenses: Angulon 65/6.8, Heliar 83/4.5, Heliar 105/4.5, Heliar 135/4.5, Kodak Meniscus 100/6.3, Kodak Meniscus 160/6.3, L.Renaux Basel Extra Rapid Aplanat 170/5.6, Bausch & Lomb Rectilinear 180/7.7, Tele-Dynar 200/6.3. All in compur or compound shutters, with Zeiss Ikon or Voigtlander orange and yellow filters and lens hoods. There are five left lenses I am looking for to complete the set :-) : Tele-Dynar 255/6.3, small Darlot petzval about 150-165mm, Dallmeyer Rectilinear, Goerz Dagor, and Hugo Mayer Aristostigmat 60/6.8. Have also 3 Rada roll film backs. Now it's time to make photography ;-)