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allanadams
03-01-2013, 03:30 AM
why cant i take the recovered silver and refine it too silver nitrate?

jnanian
03-01-2013, 06:36 AM
i am sure you could, but i wouldn't recommend that unless you have a lab and a hood
and you are experienced with making silver nitrate ... it can be very dangerous.

jnanian
03-04-2013, 10:40 AM
just wanted to let you know,
i was told there is an across the board
price increase ( magnets, tanks, test strips and everything else )
which will go into effect april first.

the magnets are going up $6
so they will cost $61.95 + shipping

thanks
john

fong
10-07-2013, 08:42 AM
The link to the APUG page on ECS doesn't work anymore. Are they still accepting Canadian shipments?

ecscares
01-05-2015, 09:32 AM
This post was brought to my attention so I wanted to clarify a few things. The original salesperson that posted for ECS made 1 error. There is no refining charges at the factor that he used, also, the pricing used is based upon receipt. We do not look after shipping.
The factor used is 10x, this is a common factor when dealing in low volumes (under 1000 troy ounces).

Typical silver refiners will require the lots to be 2000-4000 minimums. The flake is refined, with charges being applied for assay, price per oz going in, price per oz going out, etc. At this volume, refiners will melt your lot separately and pay you after the work is done.
When dealing is small volumes, it is not reasonable to expect that your melt will be done separately. For these customers, we receive the flake, weigh and inspect the flake and send payment. All within 2-days of receiving the product. When payment has been sent, we carry the risks and keep thing simple. We pay 10 times the current silver price, or in other terms, we pay for 68.58% of the net weight. The net weight is not pure and needs refined. It also needs bulked with other material to reach the required lot weights. (All of these costs, including the potential decline in silver price, is the reason for a set 10 time factor).


The percentage we take and payment we provide can not be more transparent. You can weigh your material first to confirm weights, we weigh the material before opening it and our entire process is under photos and surveillance.

I hope this helps in clarifying things.
Thanks
Michael

ecscares
01-05-2015, 09:35 AM
Our websites is currently being re-vamped and will be launched by February. It will not have a specific link but it will have the refining details and information about our services and shipping address. I just posted a clarification on silver refining pricing.
This post and thread were brought to my attention from John today, unfortunately I did not know that it was originally posted or I would have corrected the issues at the time.
Sincerely,
Michael

ecscares
01-05-2015, 09:47 AM
It was brought to my attention today about this posting. Trevor had good intentions but did not clarify things very well on this post. My understanding from John is that the silver magnets (which are great low-volume systems) are used by hobbyists, etc and are looking for a refining service. I corrected a thread this morning on pricing and sent an email to John about it as well. Attached are the pricing details; from a hobbyists perspective, it may seem that paying only 10 toz per lbs on impure flake is low since there is 14.584 toz in a lbs. However, from a refining perspective, the furnaces need 2000 toz just to do a minimum lot. This quick payment, allows for us to receive your flake with no minimums and pay you quickly, while we collect your flake with other flake so that we have enough to run the furnace.

This post was brought to my attention so I wanted to clarify a few things. The original salesperson that posted for ECS made 1 error. There is no refining charges at the factor that he used, also, the pricing used is based upon receipt. We do not look after shipping.
The factor used is 10x, this is a common factor when dealing in low volumes (under 1000 troy ounces).

Typical silver refiners will require the lots to be 2000-4000 minimums. The flake is refined, with charges being applied for assay, price per oz going in, price per oz going out, etc. At this volume, refiners will melt your lot separately and pay you after the work is done.
When dealing is small volumes, it is not reasonable to expect that your melt will be done separately. For these customers, we receive the flake, weigh and inspect the flake and send payment. All within 2-days of receiving the product. When payment has been sent, we carry the risks and keep thing simple. We pay 10 times the current silver price, or in other terms, we pay for 68.58% of the net weight. The net weight is not pure and needs refined. It also needs bulked with other material to reach the required lot weights. (All of these costs, including the potential decline in silver price, is the reason for a set 10 time factor).


The percentage we take and payment we provide can not be more transparent. You can weigh your material first to confirm weights, we weigh the material before opening it and our entire process is under photos and surveillance.

I hope this helps in clarifying things.

jnanian
01-05-2015, 09:59 AM
thank you michael!

i want to apologize to folks in canada who purchased a magnet
and were going by the numbers i had been saying, i was going by what i was told,
which i now know wasn't 100% accurate.

john

deardork
05-16-2015, 06:13 PM
jnanian - I'm interested in this and might want to buy a set up. Do you have any instructional videos on youtube or anything? Or would you be willing to make a video? :P

jnanian
05-16-2015, 07:02 PM
hi deardork

i don't have any instructional videos or anything like that .. :confused:
i'll be happy to explain in an email or here how to use it ..
the only hard part is making sure the fixre is spent, otherwise it is just
looking at the lights to see when the 2nd light turns on. if the clip test
is a hassle or problematic, i also sell test strips to dip into your fixer which will tell you
if it is spent enough to de-silver ...

thanks for your interest
john

deardork
05-17-2015, 02:45 AM
I guess it's hard for me to understand without actually seeing the silver recovery device. Can you post a picture of the set up?

RalphLambrecht
05-17-2015, 07:00 AM
Silver Magnet

an affordable silver recovery solution to
remove most of the silver from your spent fixer.

the silver magnet is a small electrolytic device that can
electroplate most the silver from a gallon of spent fixer in 24 hours.
the cathode can hold 28-32 troy oz of silver before it is removed from the unit and traded in for $$$.

no minimums or exorbitant fees.

please contact me if interested: silvermagnet@nanianphoto.com

thanks

john
I bought two and tried them, but it didn't work for me. i just ended up with a gray mushy sludge,which was of no use for anything.all ended up in haz mat recycling as the used fixer would have anyway.Mabe I did something wrong:(

RalphLambrecht
05-17-2015, 07:08 AM
hi perry

the number i have heard is that there is about 1/4 troy oz of silver in a gallon of spent fixer ...
so depending on how often you use a gallon of fixer to exhaustion ...

you don't need to wait for the cathode to be full to send it in ...
if you want to send it in with less, its up to you.
or ... if you want to just hang on to the cathode when it is full
get a new one and stock up on silver until the price goes even higher,
or sell it to a jeweler, or a chemist or put it in a safe deposit box, that is fine too ;)

the main thing is that you are getting it out of the waste stream.

recovering the silver aside,will it rejuvinate the fixer to extend its life?:confused:

jnanian
05-17-2015, 08:18 AM
I bought two and tried them, but it didn't work for me. i just ended up with a gray mushy sludge,which was of no use for anything.all ended up in haz mat recycling as the used fixer would have anyway.Mabe I did something wrong:(

i'm not sure what happened,
grey sludge doesn't sound right.
the silver it extracts looks like light brown sand ... it isn't grey and does not look like "silver"

jnanian
05-17-2015, 08:18 AM
recovering the silver aside,will it rejuvinate the fixer to extend its life?:confused:

the short answer is no ...
i have heard of people re-using their de-silvered fixer but
i would not do that, and the manufacturers do not recommend that either

jnanian
05-17-2015, 08:24 AM
I guess it's hard for me to understand without actually seeing the silver recovery device. Can you post a picture of the set up?

it looks like this ( attached photograph )
you take your spent fixer, stick it in something like
a lucite shoe box you get at the dollar store
you drop the magnet in it, plug it in, and wait for the
2nd light to come on .. then you dispose of the fixer ..
( it still has silver in it ) ...

Prof_Pixel
05-17-2015, 03:47 PM
recovering the silver aside,will it rejuvinate the fixer to extend its life?:confused:



The cathode reaction is the reduction of the Silver in the thiosulfate complex

The anode reaction is the oxidation of the sulfite ion to sulfate ion which keeps the used fixer from being reusable

fotch
05-19-2015, 11:26 AM
"2nd light to come on .. then you dispose of the fixer ..
( it still has silver in it ) ..."

Jnanian, is it safe to dump this remaining fixer which still has fixer it it, down the drain? If so, does it make any difference if the drain goes to a septic tank? TY

jnanian
05-19-2015, 11:57 AM
"2nd light to come on .. then you dispose of the fixer ..
( it still has silver in it ) ..."

Jnanian, is it safe to dump this remaining fixer which still has fixer it it, down the drain? If so, does it make any difference if the drain goes to a septic tank? TY

it has around 50 parts / million of fixer in it and should not be dumped down the drain. federal guidelines say it has to be less than 5 parts / million
and of course different cities, towns, villages states &c have stricter or not so strict requirements. if one uses a trickle tank has the ability to get the parts / million low ( less than 1 low )
it will never reach 0 ...
i wouldn't put anything in the septic tank, kodak also has this perspective, the silver will kill off beneficial bacteria that will eat the contents of your septic tank.
i can't speak about where you live and what the laws are .. but your local water / sewer commission might be able to help ... or recycling / househole hazmat day ...

sorry if i am not helpful, i can't really suggest much, other than get the silver out, and don't dump it down your drain ... and to ask someone local who knows the answers.

john

fotch
05-20-2015, 02:32 PM
"trickle tank has the ability to get the parts / million low ( less than 1 low )"

So, if using a trickle tank, its a fraction of what the silver magnet is, but still to high for a septic tank?

Thanks for all your info.