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[Poisson Du Jour]

I suspect that LF film is going to continue to drop away more rapidly than 35mm — elsewhere in APUG there was a post about Fuji discontinuing Velvia and Provia in 5x4 quickload (?). And digimons ... well, they will not make much of an impression to artists and film-based professionals because it is confined to a narrow subset of product — SLRs. Surprise, surprise, photography as a universe is much, much bigger than that! :p

railwayman3, very cogent points: in essence, you are referring to conceptualisation (more pronounced in traditional artforms such as pencil/brush and mixed media) and practical application of knowledge, both too obviously second fiddle to the technology photographers hold in their hands.

[perkeleellinen]

I wonder if authors argue about how their stories are massively better when typed on a word processor rather than by a typewriter.

[Poisson Du Jour]

I wonder if authors argue about how their stories are massively better when typed on a word processor rather than by a typewriter.


Well, a lot easier, that's for sure!! :p

[clayne]

Well, a lot easier, that's for sure!! :p

Actually, this is an interesting subject with some rough parallels. I wonder how many authors, utilizing typewriters, decided to keep what sprang to mind first - rather than deal with the hassles of whiting it out, and/or correcting it on page. With a word processor this is an instant backspace/delete. That latter part is actually so easy as to remove limitation - and limitations are quite *quite* powerful tools.

On the SilverGlow front, I'm willing to cut him some slack if he would just chill out about digital, sharpness, resolution, and/or technology in cameras. It's been done -we're tired of it. We've heard it before.

[Poisson Du Jour]

Actually, this is an interesting subject with some rough parallels. I wonder how many authors, utilizing typewriters, decided to keep what sprang to mind first - rather than deal with the hassles of whiting it out, and/or correcting it on page. With a word processor this is an instant backspace/delete. That latter part is actually so easy as to remove limitation - and limitations are quite *quite* powerful tools.

On the SilverGlow front, I'm willing to cut him some slack if he would just chill out about digital, sharpness, resolution, and/or technology in cameras. It's been done -we're tired of it. We've heard it before.

Remember Colleen McCullough's novel, "The Thorn Birds"? She wrote that 30,000 page MS entirely on a manual typewriter — clack, clack, clackity clack, the limitations you speak of acting as funnels for her creative outlet: each word was considered, each sentence was measured, each patho was dealt out brilliantly. God only knows how long that took and how, probably, frustrating it might have been, but McCullough, being a trained Neuroscientist, might have characteristically taken it in her stride, as she did all the proceeding awful disabilities and tragedies that unfolded on her. I'm sure we could all learn something from her persistence and strength and joyous rejection of technology.

[perkeleellinen]

If I was to claim that Dan Brown's stories were massively better than Shakespeare's plays because Brown used a word processor which produced sharp, clean and easy to read sentences and Shakespeare wrote by hand using a quill which is all smudges and scrawls, we can see straight away that this is a very odd argument indeed. But photographers do it all the time.

[Andy K]

But photographers do it all the time.


No, faux-tographers do it all the time.

[Poisson Du Jour]

:munch:

[markbarendt]

I wonder if authors argue about how their stories are massively better when typed on a word processor rather than by a typewriter.

Actually I've heard my wife, an aspiring author, grouse a bit about this.

The thing that I see, and I believe it applies to photography too, is that an "original idea" needs to be written out fully, there are no shortcuts. At this point in the process the only thing that matters is which tool the "artist" is most comfortable with.

[TheFlyingCamera]

The fact remains that the limiting factor for resolving power is the LENS, not the film or the chip. Modern films, both black-and-white and color, can resolve detail to the near molecular level. Even the best prime lenses for 35mm/FF DSLR can only resolve 125 lp/mm. Film is capable of greater resolving power than that- Velvia is capable of resolving 160 lp/mm. A 35mm Velvia transparency is the equivalent of a 22mp sensor. So unless you are shooting some medium format lens (with a resolving power greater than any known 35mm lens - (not going to happen - no MF lens resolves higher lp/mm than 35mm lenses do) on a medium format image chip, the current state of the art is not going to have a digital file out-resolving a film negative. Even if you have more pixels crammed on the chip, the limiting factor is the resolution of the lens.

[Sal Santamaura]

I suspect that LF film is going to continue to drop away more rapidly than 35mm — elsewhere in APUG there was a post about Fuji discontinuing Velvia and Provia in 5x4 quickload (?)...I disagree. Color film will be the first to go, initially E-6 and C-41 later. In the realm of black and white, I think LF film will be around longest. It doesn't require perforating and assembly in metal cannisters like 35mm, doesn't need paper backing like 120 and, since it's larger, uses up more of a master roll per camera exposure.

So get out there and shoot some LF. Better yet, ULF. :)

[SilverGlow]

Seriously, you sound like someone who hangs out at DPR rather than someone who actually burns film on a regular basis. If you actually preferred film for it's "look" you'd probably find less time to argue about BS such as the amount of grain in film vs digital.



Then stop comparing things based off of "resolving power" dude. You contradict yourself and it's quite apparent you're a pixel peeper.

1. I didn't bring the subject of digital up. I think it might have been you!
2. I never contradicted myself.
3. Learn to read and comprehend.
4. What is DPR? Someone mention I hang out there?!?

[SilverGlow]

Show us your 'proof' or STFU.

If I have to show you proof, then what does it say about you? Where have you been? Have you been taking pictures? Have you been using both mediums? If the answer is no, then STFU!

[SilverGlow]

No, you don't prefer or shoot film 95% of the time, if you did, you wouldn't say the atrocious things you so often present us with. Avoid that topic you so much love or leave digimon, your "fish" don't sell at this marketplace, you don't belong here.

Ok, we'll have it your way. Since you're a mind-reading deluded snob that has no reasoning abilities, I won't debate you.

I never brought up digital in this thread...I was responding to one of you snobs that think any medium that is not film is craaap.

It is sad that there is little objectivity, little truth in this forum.

[SuzanneR]

'nuff said... closed.