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cs_foto
03-14-2010, 01:08 PM
Hi I shot a mix of landscapes and portraits on fujifilm PRO 160S colour negative film,
I'm going to start printing myself for the first time and I'm wondering if there is any issue by using KODAK supra endura paper range? or is it better to stick to FUJI cristal paper?
any experience out there?
Cheers
perkeleellinen
03-14-2010, 01:46 PM
Well, the big issue is that Supra Endura is [EDIT: may be not discontinued].
In the UK, Fuji CA is going to be cut into sheets by a 3rd party (it's currently available only as a roll).
Kodak make another RA4 paper: Ektacolor Edge, it's a budget paper, a little thinner than Endura, but it prints on about the same filter pack as Endura.
Well, the big issue is that Supra Endura is discontinued.
It may be discontinued in the UK but it is not discontinued alltogether.
Supra Endura is still available in sheets and most surfaces except E.
fotch
03-14-2010, 02:08 PM
You can process the Kodak at lower temperature I believe.
dpurdy
03-14-2010, 02:13 PM
I print on both at a rental color lab and they aren't that different. Seems to me that the Kodak is a little more natural looking and a little less contrasty. It also seems to me that the Fuji is a little more touchy in the filter pack. It also seems to me that the Kodak paper base goes warm with age more quickly than the Fuji. It is mostly what ever you are used to so get which ever is most available.
Anon Ymous
03-14-2010, 02:22 PM
It may be discontinued in the UK but it is not discontinued alltogether.
Supra Endura is still available in sheets and most surfaces except E.
How come do they list it under "Discontinued Papers / Reference" here (http://www.kodak.com/global/en/professional/support/databanks/filmDatabankPapers.jhtml?pq-path=13318/13335/13438) then?
Tom Kershaw
03-14-2010, 02:44 PM
Is Kodak Supra Endura really discontinued?
How come do they list it under "Discontinued Papers / Reference" here then?
Please read again, it is discontinued in rolls, not sheets.
Tom Kershaw
03-14-2010, 02:47 PM
Please read again, it is discontinued in rolls, not sheets.
Jan,
That is how I understood the situation.
Tom
Anon Ymous
03-14-2010, 03:10 PM
Please read again, it is discontinued in rolls, not sheets.
Ok, this seems quite complicated. I just had a look and the following is from tech pub E4021 (http://www.kodak.com/global/en/professional/support/techPubs/e4021/e4021.pdf):
Product Discontinuance
KODAK PROFESSIONAL SUPRA ENDURA Paper in roll formats
will be discontinued by year end 2009 or when stock is depleted.
Sheets continue to be available. KODAK PROFESSIONAL SUPRA
ENDURA VC Digital Paper is the alternative replacement. KODAK
PROFESSIONAL PORTRA ENDURA Paper was discontinued in late
2006.
So, they made a replacement for Supra Endura, optimised for digital printing, but it will still be coated just for sheets? Am I the only one who finds it strange?
perkeleellinen
03-14-2010, 03:18 PM
I thought it was discontinued in sheets as well as rolls and is to be replaced with a new paper optimised for digital printing.
Tempted to go back and edit my post now so as I'm not spreading false information.
So, they made a replacement for Supra Endura, optimised for digital printing, but it will still be coated just for sheets? Am I the only one who finds it strange?
Users of paper in sheets and in rolls are not the same.
I don't know whether you are the only one who finds it strange that different market segments are served differently, but i certainly don't. ;)
perkeleellinen
03-14-2010, 03:35 PM
My apologies for falsely claiming discontinuance. I've edited my original post.
Greg Davis
03-15-2010, 01:38 PM
I spoke with the VP of the division of Kodak that produces the paper about Endura about 3 months ago when they announced the discontinuation. It is no longer available in rolls at all. It is available in sheets until stock runs out, then it is gone. Supra Endura VC is the replacement product and it will only be available in rolls, not sheets. It has slightly more contrast and a slight color balance difference than traditional Endura that was made for optical printing.
Photo Engineer
03-15-2010, 01:43 PM
Try here:
http://www.kodak.com/global/en/professional/products/papers/ultraEndura/sizes.jhtml?pq-path=13318/13335/13420/13431/13496
Ultra Endura is available in sheet form.
PE
polyglot
03-16-2010, 07:50 AM
Sounds reasonable to me: Supra Endura is available in sheets for us small-quantity optical printers and the newer, higher-contrast, designed-for-lightjet stuff ("VC") is available on rolls for commercial use in minilabs.
Yes, but Supra Endura was first announced as discontinued in both sheets and rolls. Then Kodak announced there will be sheets available until the stock is over, and changed the announcement wording in datasheet. I hope I remember it correctly. You can search the discussions here and you can find Kodak's answer to the question. IIRC, Supra Endura sheets will also be discontinued when the stock ends. According to Kodak, that was expected to happen during this year.
So, when it's over, it's over. Buy it now while you can! It's cheap and it keeps well for years if you freeze it. And maybe if you buy it enough, they'll consider making some more.