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Q.G.
04-13-2010, 12:42 AM
I don't think explaining the mixed reaction to what the IP produced as people being too impatient washes.

The IP set a date. They said we should see something worthwhile, now.
And they just haven't delivered.

Ken Nadvornick
04-13-2010, 01:08 AM
I don't think explaining the mixed reaction to what the IP produced as people being too impatient washes.

The IP set a date. They said we should see something worthwhile, now.
And they just haven't delivered.

Ahh... but then that's the rub, isn't it?

"worthwhile..."

Given that the default option was total extinction, some of us - not all, I realize, but some - think that "demonstrated promise" in the form of this first commercial iteration is indeed a "worthwhile" alternative. And so I am prepared to exercise additional patience.

However, YMMV. And I can respect that.

Ken

coigach
04-13-2010, 04:09 AM
I think that the new film appears (with my early tests) to be quite limited - although I'm looking forward to trying emulsion lifts. Hopefully I can find a workaround to some of the issues I mentioned earlier in this thread - lack of contast etc.

I do think the Impossible Project deserve credit for rolling their sleeves up and having a go. I expect future releases to be better and to address some of issues of the 'First Flush' (making the opaque layer more lightproof being the main priority I think).

I understand that other films are in the pipeline, colour film is expected later this year I think. I'd love to see a b+w film that is truly b+w rather than sepia in the future too.

PX-100 is an interesting start, and I reckon things will get better from here on...

I think Impossible Project deserve our support and encouragement.

Cheers,
Gavin

Ektagraphic
04-13-2010, 04:44 AM
But I will give it a chance. I've been following the Impossible Project for a while. Right now, I'm short on money and I'm also going through some rough times in my personal life. I'll look for an SX-70 and give it a try though. I just hope the Impossible Project improves the film and realizes that not everyone who likes instant film is into lomography.

Chris- You don't have to get an SX-70 to start with. Some of the 600 cameras (even though they may be almost all plastic) are also fun to use. I may have one that I can send your way if you would like. A lot of people just give them away or throw them away...

gatewaycityca
04-13-2010, 02:11 PM
Patrick, I have a bunch of Polaroid 600 cameras, but I thought I read that the new film won't work with 600 cameras. It will be underexposed. I thought this one that Impossible Project just started selling was only for the SX-70.

darkosaric
04-13-2010, 02:49 PM
Patrick, I have a bunch of Polaroid 600 cameras, but I thought I read that the new film won't work with 600 cameras. It will be underexposed. I thought this one that Impossible Project just started selling was only for the SX-70.

Life would be much more easyer if polariod have made iso 100/600 switch in cameras.

Akki14
04-13-2010, 03:19 PM
Patrick, I have a bunch of Polaroid 600 cameras, but I thought I read that the new film won't work with 600 cameras. It will be underexposed. I thought this one that Impossible Project just started selling was only for the SX-70.

I'd quite like someone with a 600 camera to try it. Because, in my opinion, this film is *not* ISO100 (it seems much faster) and since it's allegedly in a "universal" cassette, it should fit in the 600 cameras fine.

Ektagraphic
04-13-2010, 07:22 PM
Patrick, I have a bunch of Polaroid 600 cameras, but I thought I read that the new film won't work with 600 cameras. It will be underexposed. I thought this one that Impossible Project just started selling was only for the SX-70.

Any time now the 600 film will be released. It will be out by the end of April. Hang in there.

Ektagraphic
04-13-2010, 07:24 PM
I don't think explaining the mixed reaction to what the IP produced as people being too impatient washes.

The IP set a date. They said we should see something worthwhile, now.
And they just haven't delivered.

They haven't delivered? They are still working on completing a near impossile task! Polaroid took quite a while to perfect a film starting from scratch and these guys are in the same boat except they already had some of an idea of what to do ....This is not an easy task they are working on. Have you even shot the film?

amuderick
04-13-2010, 09:08 PM
The Impossible Project shows you the future of all film in the digital age. It is a small company trying to create a niche product with artists as its only customers. It may take a long time, but all other film products will come to this. So you either embrace it, and support it for what it is, or you move on.

Personally, I am a bit disappointed in the first offering. It doesn't suit my aesthetic and technically it is fairly limited. But, I support them and we move forward.

Without support, they'll never get it right. If no one buys the first run, how are they going to convince an investor to put in more money for an additional six or twelve months of R&D?

Akki14
04-14-2010, 12:23 AM
Have you even shot the film?

That's the problem with 90% of the people complaining on this thread. Their puffed up chests and posturing say... oh it's not good enough for me.

But look at all the other alternative processes people do out there. Look at all the different specialist films! Let's complain about ortho litho film, it's slow and its tonal range is horribly restricted! Pan50 is soo slow, I can't take pictures of my friends at night with it! Alternative hand-coated processes are so grainy due to the paper swelling and drying and the texture of the paper! and, dear lord, if I see another Lonely Tree In A Field or On A Hill shot, I'll hurt myself :rolleyes::p

You know what? I can perfectly describe the film. Instant lith printing. An absolutely pain in the butt, perfectionist process that still results in not-quite-100%-predictable results which a few have been able to tame into beautiful photographs.

And yes they were starting from scratch, so there will be problems to work out. Newbies to emulsion making don't pour perfect plates or make perfect film the first time around either (or within the first few tries, they've not quite had a full year to sort out the full R&D and machinery). And yes, the cynic in me thinks this is the perfect way to raise capital but then that can only be a good thing as they'll now have something to improve upon.

Q.G.
04-14-2010, 12:38 AM
That's the problem with 90% of the people complaining on this thread. Their puffed up chests and posturing say... oh it's not good enough for me.

And you and your sample images are to blame. :D


But look at all the other alternative processes people do out there. Look at all the different specialist films! [...]

We could. But doesn't that force the conclusion upon us that the IP did an exceptionally bad job managing expectations?
I never heard them say they were going to create a new "alternative process". Instead, they said they were going to recreate Polaroid.

Q.G.
04-14-2010, 12:40 AM
They haven't delivered? They are still working on [...]

There you go: they set a date, and haven't delivered.
Yet? Who knows?

Ken Nadvornick
04-14-2010, 01:43 AM
Instead, they said they were going to recreate Polaroid.

That is, unfortunately, a demonstrably incorrect assertion. And perhaps part of the reason for your unhappiness with Impossible's initial offering?

From their Mission Statement:

"The Impossible mission is NOT to re-build Polaroid Integral film but (with the help of strategic partners) to develop a new product with new characteristics, consisting of new optimised components, produced with a streamlined modern setup. An innovative and fresh analog material, sold under a new brand name that perfectly will match the global re-positioning of Integral Films."

(Upper case emphasis is part of the original statement.)

Ken

railwayman3
04-14-2010, 03:06 AM
That is, unfortunately, a demonstrably incorrect assertion. And perhaps part of the reason for your unhappiness with Impossible's initial offering?

From their Mission Statement:

"The Impossible mission is NOT to re-build Polaroid Integral film but (with the help of strategic partners) to develop a new product with new characteristics, consisting of new optimised components, produced with a streamlined modern setup. An innovative and fresh analog material, sold under a new brand name that perfectly will match the global re-positioning of Integral Films."

Ken

That was a part I, also, hadn't read (my omission, but I've not previously had any
particular interest in using Polaroid).

I guess anyone expecting a replica or replacement film just to resurrect their old "instant snapshot" cameras from the attic is likely to be disappointed, but I can see now that, as Akki infers above, that this may hopefully progress successfully as a new "alternative process" of interest mainly to enthusiasts. :)

AgX
04-14-2010, 04:19 AM
Not aiming at recreating Polaroid does not neccessarily mean technical inferiority. Yes, I admit it is hard in this case to establish the scale to measure technical grade.

But, they stated to "change the world of photography" with their new film. And this CAN be discussed.

gatewaycityca
04-14-2010, 05:51 AM
I do have to cut Impossible Project some slack about one thing...they have said from the very beginning that the film would NOT be the same as Polaroid films. They said it would be different. They said they would make films that were compatible with SX-70 and Polaroid 600 but it wouldn't be the same.

I really do want to give them a chance and I want to try the film. When they come out with a 600 film, I definitely will buy a couple of cartridges just out of curiosity. It's just that I'm having doubts, and I have to be honest that it seems like it's just too expensive. Especially considering how finicky everyone is saying the film is. I mean really, if you only get 8 pictures per cartridge, with a film that is very finicky and inconsistent, and each cartridge costs over $20 each...I just don't know what to think about that.

I also can't really say I like IP's marketing scheme. No offense to anyone here, but one of my pet peeves is how they feel like they have to insert the catchy hipster "analog" term every chance they get...as in how they have "analog instant film" all over their website. What, as opposed to "digital film" ?? And really, since when do we have to call film "analog", anyway? What's wrong with just saying FILM?

I mean, like I said...Fuji still makes great instant peel-apart film and you sure don't see them plastering "analog instant film" all over their products.

I'm just saying.

Akki14
04-14-2010, 06:11 AM
I think it has changed the world of instant photography. This is a totally different product. And obviously it's pissing off quite a bit of people and any publicity is good publicity. And quite frankly it mostly seems to piss off those who would never and have never shot polaroid anyway, so what's the problem? It's like going into a minox forum and bitching about massively huge grain on huge enlargements. Why don't you all shoot large format, huh?

For the record, my keeper rate out of a pack of 8 is 6-7 shots, usually one or two is down to slight exposure adjustments, nothing else.

Appropriately for the "analog film" rant, I see below my reply box an APUG advert for some place saying... JustFilm. All Analog ... All The Time. Are they hipsters then? Maybe we should go ask them.

kraker
04-14-2010, 06:59 AM
I think it has changed the world of instant photography. (...)

Very well said, Heather. All of it.

I still have some 6(?) packs of Polaroid 600 left, and there, the world of instant photography is also changing. Time and temperature have their influence, and it's always a surprise to see how the colours turn out in the next pack.

I really appreciate what Impossible is doing, and it's great to see this happening. I'm sure they're still making changes to the products, and I think it is just great that we can give them a try already. We don't have to wait until it's all 100% (and even then, when is it 100%? If it is exactly the same as the Polaroid product? Now, THAT is boring!) This is the perfect time to experiment.

When their 600 film comes out, I'll be sure to buy a few packs, even if I still have Polaroid 600 in stock.

Photo Engineer
04-14-2010, 08:13 AM
It still reminds me of the old child's tale "The Emperors New Clothes"! :D

PE