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Ektagraphic
08-18-2010, 01:51 PM
Hi Guys-
I have been working on some portraiture for a while and it has all been people that have been ever so kind enough to volunteer to have me photograph them in return for the images. SO...it has come to my first paid session and color was requested so it's on its way off to the lab. I was wondering if any of you guys have PROOF printed across the proof. I know that I have seen some proof that have been hole punched to form the word proof and some stamped proof and others printed on the photo. Regardless, I was wondering if any of you guys do it. I am seriously considering printing proof across the photos...What do you think?

Thanks

Patrick

RalphLambrecht
08-18-2010, 01:57 PM
As a customer, I would think: 'It takes one to know one'.

You need to have a little trust in your customers if you expect the same from them.

What could be worse than them steeling your image and showing it around?
Yes, them not liking it! And, anything more than your signature would do that for me.

Ektagraphic
08-18-2010, 02:01 PM
That's one of the reasons I have thought not to do it. Idk if it would make me very happy if I were the customer. I am looking to make just a bit of money here so if I include the proofs as prints, not saying proof on them, wouldn't it be very possible that they wouldn't want any more prints?

MattKing
08-18-2010, 02:04 PM
"Copyright Patrick ______" would be a better idea.

Ian Grant
08-18-2010, 02:06 PM
Patrick, I think it depends on the type of client. I used to shoot portraits for a living and none of my clients would have dreamt of getting images copied, but the middle to lower end of the market is different now. I made my money mainly on the fees, rather than loading the print prices. I still do the same with commercial work.

Even before digital images were copied, Kodak had a direct copy colour print process that Pro labs offered, many turned a blind eye to copyright or made the customer sign a waiver to protect themselves (the lab).

Ian

bblhed
08-18-2010, 02:08 PM
I have heard of things that only show PROOF when scanned or in bright light, this way it isn't distracting, but still there to protect you. I have never seen it so it could just be an urban myth. I know I have seen peoples photo albums with proofs that said proof on them in the pages.

MattKing
08-18-2010, 02:09 PM
That's one of the reasons I have thought not to do it. Idk if it would make me very happy if I were the customer. I am looking to make just a bit of money here so if I include the proofs as prints, not saying proof on them, wouldn't it be very possible that they wouldn't want any more prints?

Yes - so that is why you need to sell them on the benefits of more and bigger prints. IMHO, showing them examples of well printed and spotted enlargements, placed in attractive mounts, frames or albums, is the most effective sales tool in that regard.

Success in the business of photography depends as much or more on your marketing skills as it does on your photographic skills.

Ektagraphic
08-18-2010, 02:11 PM
All right. That's enough to have convinced me to think about it. :) I think I'll stick with the Copyright printing. I think I might revisit my fees if it is to include proofs that are worth keeping.

Ektagraphic
08-18-2010, 02:12 PM
Matt- I have figured that out already :) The bigger prints are much more wanted then smaller. I am working on finishing up a portfolio book.

MattKing
08-18-2010, 02:17 PM
All right. That's enough to have convinced me to think about it. :) I think I'll stick with the Copyright printing. I think I might revisit my fees if it is to include proofs that are worth keeping.

You want your proofs to be as good as possible. People will use the proofs to determine what they will order. They are also likely to show them to others (if we are talking about things like family portraits).

If you are worried, consider packaging them with orders - i.e. if you order an 8x10 you may keep the proofs as well. Or, even better, include an 8x10 and the proofs in your up-front fee.

Ektagraphic
08-18-2010, 02:23 PM
That sound like a great idea. I guess these are the things I will have to come up with to keep me going.

jnanian
08-18-2010, 03:36 PM
get an embosser made at a copy-shop that has patrick ... and emboss your prints.
how is your color lab printing them ? light jet ? they can layer+opaque the same thing over
the bottom of your print as well ... ( so it won't be glaring ).

RalphLambrecht
08-18-2010, 03:47 PM
get an embosser made at a copy-shop that has patrick ... and emboss your prints. ...

That I like!

jessicad
08-21-2010, 04:17 PM
I like the idea of embossing the copyright line as well...