No, I'm putting it out there, because these days, you cannot voice your opinion without offending someone, I'm actually surprised no one has put fourth a lawsuit against me at this point.
Originally Posted by shutterlight
Anyway, sounds like art school to me.
Every school I've researched that claim to have a real photography program, have covered light use, studio, ambience etc.
If the school is any good, is should also cover stuff like Business economy, branding, how to run as a business, creating contacts, contracts and legal aspects etc.
Being a working photographer is 20% shooting and 80% trying to survive as a business.
It was a response to shutterlight, who claimed it to be so.
Originally Posted by SuzanneR
I have no interest in going into the business side of photography, so I don't feel like that applies to me. I'll be glad to take a non-photo job to make ends meet. It seems to come as a great surprise to many people (read: men) that many art photo people don't really have much interest in doing commercial work. Certainly there are business aspects to making it in the art world as well, but experience is the best teacher there, along with fellow photographers that you get to know and learn from.
Originally Posted by Helinophoto
I definitely do attend an art school and I wouldn't have it any other way. The work I've seen around me in just the past year has been outstanding.
Ah, statistics and percentages .....
I expect there are some useful conclusions to be gathered about the relationship between gender and participation in the world of photography - whether it is photographic businesses, art photography, participation in forums, or whatever.
But they would be statistical conclusions, not particularly applicable to any single photographer.
Over the years here on APUG some of the most welcome and interesting posts have come from women, including some who aren't necessarily easily "identified" as women unless they have chosen to be so identified.
Some still post, while others aren't here very often. Too bad, as far as I'm concerned.
And when it comes to having a thorough technical knowledge, there is no doubt in my mind that gender is in no way a predictor of that.
I wonder how Helen Bach (Helen B) is doing?
Nor is gender a predictor of the depth and breadth of those mixed technical/artistic skills that we as photographers tend to value.
I type this while looking at a very fine print I have from BWKate - I hope she is doing well?
Nor is gender a predictor of willingness to become involved with more difficult and tactile alternative processes - I wonder when I'll get to see more of sly's wonderful work in large format alternative processes?
I started out my post, as you might recall, with the info that the photo classes I've taken have had more women than men. None of these classes shied away from technical info either. In fact, the one instructor I had who didn't even get most of the technical info right and printed his example for the class on the back of a sheet of paper was a guy. And I don't know any female photographer on here who doesn't have a good grasp of the technical aspects. I also know more women than men working as photographers outside of APUG.
Originally Posted by Helinophoto
Maybe you're not trying to be condescending, but the sound of your posts very much fits the bill.
I'm deleting the rest of what I was going to post to save Suzanne the trouble. (Go Suzanne, btw)
I agree with those saying that women tend not to be so interested in these forums but here in my rather large photographic circle I would say at least half are women if not more than half. The curator of photography at the Portland Art Museum is a woman. I used to have a lot more custom lab clients than I have now. Now my last 2 main clients are women.
My question is why don't women drink single malt scotch and why do they have so many book clubs.
How many of those students stayed involved in photography after graduating or leaving school? As I mentioned, exactly ONE of the women in my college photo classes stuck with it after graduating. ONE. Out of 14 or 15. Out of the 10 men in the program, 6 are still doing photography. Four of us are fulltime pros. So is the one woman.
Originally Posted by winger
Women are absolutely capable of mastering the technical aspects of it. My former classmate did, and she is a very creative artist whose work I love. I respect her as a person and an artist. There are several women here on APUG and on the Leica users group and Rangefinderforum (other places I talk photography online) who also create magnificent work and have mastered the technical stuff too. Still, based on what I have seen, I think most women do not have the desire to do so or the drive to succeed as professionals. If that upsets women, they alone have the power to change it. Shooting the messenger might make you feel good, but it changes nothing.
Still, based on what I have seen, I think most women do not have the desire to do so or the drive to succeed as professionals. If that upsets women, they alone have the power to change it.
I think you're just ignorant, and basing your judgments only on your personal experience. I don't mean "ignorant" in a pejorative sense, but just a matter of fact one.
Also, what is a "professional" to you? Someone who does commercial work? What about photographers who make bodies of work of their own design and don't do anything else? I know plenty of women doing just that.
Fine Art Photography of Indiana and other places no one else photographs.
Surely someone's told you that there's no such place?
Women are.... Men are....
Aren't we making pretty BIG generalizations? Most of what are being said in this thread do not apply to men and women in my immediate social circles - photographers and non-photographers.
Personally (and I am a male), I do not go to photography shows or shows of most kinds in other areas of interest. My local camera store actually has a female staff. Some of the topic on photo forums do not interest me where as some do. I have no idea why these things seems to be dominated by men. Oh, yeah, I LOVE equipment... (as I look through KEH for third time today...)
female staff at camera stores makes perfect sense--the customers are mostly dudes and pretty chicks can sell dudes a lot better than other dork dudes that will bicker about what is superior like the comic book guy....
hot chicks sell the high end cars (also a product that targets men) and houses too, boy! You should see how perfect these supersaleswomen look!!! in the bugatti dealership and the high end downtown real estate--always PERFECT and dressed to the nines...nicer than moviestars and smell intoxicating....they can $ell a dude for sure.