Censorship and judgement on APUG and in the world...

Come on people, can't we just all get along? :whistling:

I am thinking this whole incident has very little to do with the image itself (which I thought was pretty good to excellent) but it has everything to do with what people thought the photographer meant by that image. It didn't help the title didn't accurately describe the photographers intent and things that were said in an unrelated thread weren't received well.

I fully agree with Stone, some of the things said on this thread and the gallery were needlessly hurtful. I have no problems with people expressing how they don't like the image. There are a lot of ways to say that....

By the way.... I am guessing the model is fully aware of her condition and still decided to participate in the shoot. I applaud her for that. I hope she gets well and moves on with her chosen occupation.

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Originally Posted by fotch

Come on people, can't we just all get along? :whistling:

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~Stone

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Originally Posted by tkamiya

I am thinking this whole incident has very little to do with the image itself (which I thought was pretty good to excellent) but it has everything to do with what people thought the photographer meant by that image. It didn't help the title didn't accurately describe the photographers intent and things that were said in an unrelated thread weren't received well.

I fully agree with Stone, some of the things said on this thread and the gallery were needlessly hurtful. I have no problems with people expressing how they don't like the image. There are a lot of ways to say that....

By the way.... I am guessing the model is fully aware of her condition and still decided to participate in the shoot. I applaud her for that. I hope she gets well and moves on with her chosen occupation.

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Thanks for the compliment and to the first paragraph +1 because that's exactly accurate, at least someone understood.

However it's now sort of settled and I think I've learned something, if nothing else, explain yourself better if you make highly abstract titles...


~Stone

Mamiya: 7 II, RZ67 Pro II / Canon: 1V, AE-1, 5DmkII / Kodak: No 1 Pocket Autographic, No 1A Pocket Autographic | Sent w/ iPhone using Tapatalk

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Originally Posted by JBrunner

The Internet is an interesting place. One must realize that it is in practice the foulest version of democracy, the version where ignorance is equal to knowledge, facts are arrived at by consensus, and anonymity or distance guarantees righteousness.

I don't worry much about it. This is a good Internet community, one of the best you will find, but it is still the Internet. You can get a lot out of it, but when you stand up it goes away. It is not real for most intents and purposes.

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~Stone

Mamiya: 7 II, RZ67 Pro II / Canon: 1V, AE-1, 5DmkII / Kodak: No 1 Pocket Autographic, No 1A Pocket Autographic | Sent w/ iPhone using Tapatalk

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Originally Posted by JBrunner

The Internet is an interesting place. One must realize that it is in practice the foulest version of democracy, the version where ignorance is equal to knowledge, facts are arrived at by consensus, and anonymity or distance guarantees righteousness.

I don't worry much about it. This is a good Internet community, one of the best you will find, but it is still the Internet. You can get a lot out of it, but when you stand up it goes away. It is not real for most intents and purposes.

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Best post in years...

Ken

Janana makes some nice pictures.

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Originally Posted by JBrunner

The Internet is an interesting place. One must realize that it is in practice the foulest version of democracy, the version where ignorance is equal to knowledge, facts are arrived at by consensus, and anonymity or distance guarantees righteousness.

I don't worry much about it. This is a good Internet community, one of the best you will find, but it is still the Internet. You can get a lot out of it, but when you stand up it goes away. It is not real for most intents and purposes.

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To paraphrase Tom Lehrer...

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The internet is like a sewer. What you get out of it depends on what you put into it.

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Don't sweat it Stone. The conversations on APUG are probably 99% gear related. Most people coming here are not interested in discussing "art" or any other subjects relation to the finished product. Unless of course it's about what concentration of XYZ toner you used etc. This is not meant to be a harsh condemnation of APUG, certainly not. Another member years ago tried to encourage discussions about "art" etc and he left in total frustration. I just loved his parting shot "we could all eat shit and die". Too funny! I love APUG, it's a great community and one of the best when you have gear or process questions. Just don't expect any intellectual discussions when it comes to photography. Not to say there aren't people here that can and do offer intelligent commentary, but generally the signal to noise ration is pretty bad. Just take a look at the huge number of views for any nude photograph and that gives you a pretty accurate indication of the relative maturity/sophistication of many members.

Eric, speak for yourself!

Most are process, photo related IMHO.

PE