Ha ha, no I dont advertise my services DougHowk, though Im honoured that you feel the need to try and track me down instead of reading again what I initially said then looking at Mr Leakes images, and then perhaps making your own comments about those images, go on, I dare you! And everyone is entitled to their opinion, as Mr Leake so graciously said to me...I dont need to justify my opinions by showing you how big my camera is...nor my images. That, as you should know, is totally irrelevant, and childish. My opinions stand on their own in relation to the work discussed, nothing else is being discussed here, in fact Im the only one discussing Mr Leake's work! Are you going to put your hat in the ring, sir, or am I going to be vilified for having an opinion!?
Let's start fresh, then.
Mr. Wright has apologized for the rather course manner in which he offered his critique. FWIW, he made some valid points about Ian's work, which I may not agree with, but I felt deleting the post was not necessary. We are, I think, interested in dialog that is constructive. I don't have to agree with all comments here, whether they are critical or not, and I think APUG would be boring if all that was offered in the form of critique was praise.
Ian's nudes are most interesting to me, when he uses the negative space around the figure well. Not all of them work for me, but some are really quite beautiful to my eye. I have one of Ian's platinum prints, and it's gorgeous... I imagine the prints of his nudes are rather more impressive in person than they are on the screen, so I'm reluctant to comment on his print quality here. That said, I don't find figure work as interesting as other forms of photography... I have a personal preference for more documentary work, but studying those who work in the studio in still life or with the figure can lead one to a greater understanding for organizing space within the framework of the camera.
Oops... didn't hear all the typing!!
Ps...I understand your desperate need to classify and categorise me and my worthiness to have an opinion by showing you a photograph or two...I went to college a long time ago to do a photography course. Every day for two years I asked to see the work of the teachers who were critisizing my efforts daily, so that I could judge their worthiness to teach me...and everyday they chose to forget to bring anything in to show me. After winning a number of external photography competitions I learned to stop asking to see their images, as it was irrelevant to my own progress, instead I continued to ask their advise and learn from them things that they clearly knew more about than I did, choosing also to find out for myself things that they had no interest nor knowledge of...I learned a great deal when I was eventually open to learning, and they, after years of blinkered teaching and drowning in bureaucracy, learned a few things too...
Thank you for the personal response. As for my "not careing" to view nudes stems from my belief that there are no more new ways to pose a body that is "artful". Nearly every pose that I have viewed recently looks painful and awkward, for both the model and viewer. Years ago, I spent many hours shooting "the genre", and feel, for me, its become hackneyed. There are many of you out there that feel otherwise, and that is fine for you.
Originally Posted by RichardWright
My statement about your apparent vitriol is just an observation brought on by your dialog. I am, by nature, not an antagonistic person. However after reading your rant, I felt it necesary to question your motives. I do believe that when we view anothers work, find positive ways of responding, or be polite and just say it doesn't work for you. Is there any real need to disparage another?
Once again, I thank you for believing me worthy of a personal response.
Richard. As you have asked me to comment publicly I will.
1) My Prints. I know that what I do isn't to everyone's taste. That's fine. I also recognise that by choosing to post them here I am inviting other people to comment on them. That's fine too. And the same goes for my writing. Having said that, I would prefer people to be polite even if they do not like what I do. I accept your apology.
2) Your Credentials. In my experience, the value of someone's feedback is often (albeit not always) closely related to their experience of the subject being discussed. For example, Kim Weston's opinions and experience of photography, nudes and printing are on balance more likely to be valuable than those of Joe Schmo the wedding photographer. As you refuse to credentialise yourself people are entitled to assume that you are closer to Joe Schmo than to Kim Weston - and they're entitled to value your opinions accordingly.
3) Critique. I have managed, trained and coached people for many years in my corporate career. Believe me when I say that it is possible to be very tough and challenging to people while remaining polite, supportive and constructive. I suggest that you read Cheryl's article on critique (http://www.apug.org/forums/forum220/...critiques.html) and start again.
I don't particularly want to get drawn into a public shouting match because these are generally pointless and demeaning to all involved. So if it's OK with you I shall return to doing the more valuable things in my life.
P.S. "Mr Leake" was my father. My name is Ian.
Final comment on this from me then....Firstly, is 'credentialise' a real word?? Thats a new one on me...its true that in general the value of someone's feedback is closely related to their experiences of the subject being discussed. Lets say for the sake of argument that Ive never touched a camera, but that Ive studied the history of art, and specifically the use of the nude worldwide in photography, since its invention, up to and including the present day....would my opinion be less valid having never taken a photograph? You seem to imply that it would be less valid. How close would this imaginary person have to get to a large format camera, or for that matter to a naked woman, to understand your obviously deep and meaningful work? I have a friend who always says she doesnt know anything about photography so she feels her opinion on an image we may be discussing is invalid, I refuse to agree with her, and invite her comments, as perhaps someone who has fresher eyes sees things in a different way, and I value her comments, as I do my friends 13 year old daughter, who may like or dislike a colour or the specific placement of an object within the frame. She may not fully understand, nor have been taught, why she likes or dislikes something, or the rule of thirds etc, but inherently she may have the artistic temperament to see and analyse in a thoughtful way, and make a valid statement that may only need translating into adult 'artspeak' for it to be valued by those with minds and ears too closed to hear the comments of a naive child.
This theoritical situation is purely that. I have actually taken a number of photographs in my time, and studied the history of art etc etc but I dont need to walk around with my images or reference books glued to my back and front to justify my comments here or in an exhibition somewhere. Most intelligent mature people will listen to the comments of others and choose to dismiss or agree with them as they see fit, they may even admit that they, as we all do, have more to learn on the subject than perhaps they care to openly admit....Telling you how expensive my lenses are, or showing you my images has absolutely no relevance whatsoever on my thoughts on your images. If you put any piece of artwork on a wall it is up for discussion, by everyone who can see it, and the classism you imply in your comments is sadly what the art scene is all too full of, an elitism that tries to restrict the discussion of art from the masses, who then feel isolated and not allowed to enjoy that which they feel excluded from. If an image needs a lengthy written piece of artspeak jargon next to or underneath it to justify it, then it has failed entirely in its premise. If a young person casually walks up to it and it makes him or her smile, or frown, or question, or hopefully think, or even greater inspire then it has succeeded! Sadly, as I have said privately to you before, none of your images ellicit those emotions in me, and that dear sir is my priviledge....Good luck and best wishes. Richard
My patience is running thin... you've made your point in numerous posts, Ian is free to accept or reject it, as are the rest of us. Lighten up.
I find it strange and even suspicious the nude photography continuously needs justification.