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 Originally Posted by Ruben.Vallinga
I was wondering what was number 32, so it is an alternating current generator, thanks!
The flash does not fire under 6 volts.
because the conductive contacts lost power. I thought it was a changeover contact.
I had it replaced with a changeover relay, it did not work.
Now I know why, it was not a changeover contact, but an alternating current generator. can you still get new?
hopefully it works well with a working AC generator
No, that device is NO LONGER MADE. You see an orange blob at the top with wire hanging out? That is a coil. When energized, it swings the arm one way. Once it does, a small contact breaks connection and the arm swings back. When it swings back, contact makes again and the magnet gets energized so the arm swings again. It'll keep doing that.
It is supposed to vibrate and make noise. Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuummmmmm....
If you are handy with electronics, you could make sure the contact is clean and the coil is intact. Then perhaps rebuild it yourself. I would not put hope on finding it new or even new-old-stock. I'm sorry, it's seriously old....
Develop, stop, fix.... wait.... where's my film?
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I'm more worried about the condensator. That is why I did not start up my unit yet. I once had the tiny RFI-condensator of my kitchenmixer explode... I would not like to experience that with a flashlight condensator. Maybe one should exchange any of those old ones with new ones. The newer are smaller, so likely there will be no problem with mounting.
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Finding new electrolytics rated to the voltage needed to work in photo flashes can be a challenge. Vendors catering to vacuum tube equipment rebuilds comes closest, but they with voltage compatibility usually don't stock ones with large enought capacitance ratings.
His capacitors/condensors might actually be foil and paper in oil, rather than the moist paste of a modern electrolytic capacitor.
my real name, imagine that.
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Replacement electrolytic capacitors may be found in the primary of a switching power supply (try disassembling an old PC supply for parts) -- they're usually rated for 600V and of fairly high capacitance.
wax/Paper and mica caps can be replaced with ceramics.
The vibrator is a device from hell -- you'll not find a replacement unless you're extremely fortunate. Their function in modern equipment has been replaced by a pair of transistors...
If I were rehabbing this flash, I think I would opt to replace the voltage converter with a switching supply. Just treat it as a "circuit block" and put a modern version in -- far less trouble in the long run and you would end up with loads of extra space as a bonus!
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One should distinguish between standard capacitors as used in power supplies and those designed for flash discharging. The latter are available from the electronic industry via their dealers.
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 Originally Posted by Ruben.Vallinga
I was wondering what was number 32, so it is an alternating current generator, thanks!
The flash does not fire under 6 volts.
because the conductive contacts lost power. I thought it was a changeover contact.
I had it replaced with a changeover relay, it did not work.
Now I know why, it was not a changeover contact, but an alternating current generator. can you still get new?
hopefully it works well with a working AC generator
There are solid state replacements for the mechanical vibrators. If the contacts in the old vibrator have pitted, there are problems in the associated circuitry. Contrary to legend, vibrators are reliable when used properly.
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I bought a 'Braun Hobby Automatic' unit for £14 in the Canadian Maple Leaf store near Iserlohn when I was there in Germany with the British Army in 1957 -- in England with all the Taxes they were over £39 !! It had a power pack held from the shoulder and had the 'Vibrator' and two small lead acid batteries and a mains lead -- I got a second flash head for it - some years later I was GIVEN another unit and later 'rescued' some more Braun Hobbys from a Photographer who was taking them to the Council Dump -- I cleaned off all the mud and dust and plugged them into the mains and they WORKED -- I STILL use several 1950's Braun Hobby units and an EF300 with extra flash heads -- all working off the mains only - no batteries available any more !
An 'Old Dog still learning New Tricks !
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You think?
Usually, after the vibrator is just a plain transformer and after that, a rectifying and filtering circuit. There's not much goes wrong there other than plain aging of components...
I played with vibrators when I had a GE Progress Line transmitters configured for mobile use. As OP and myself obtained these devices well used and with unknown history, reliability is pretty much in doubt. It'll be fun to restore it and I'd do it. (in fact I did) Would it be reliable enough for me to trust it? no....
Can you still get solid state replacements?? I know they existed for a while when these devices were actively used after their manufacturers declared EOL. I'm curious now...
Develop, stop, fix.... wait.... where's my film?
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 Originally Posted by tkamiya
You think?
Usually, after the vibrator is just a plain transformer and after that, a rectifying and filtering circuit. There's not much goes wrong there other than plain aging of components...
I played with vibrators when I had a GE Progress Line transmitters configured for mobile use. As OP and myself obtained these devices well used and with unknown history, reliability is pretty much in doubt. It'll be fun to restore it and I'd do it. (in fact I did) Would it be reliable enough for me to trust it? no....
Can you still get solid state replacements?? I know they existed for a while when these devices were actively used after their manufacturers declared EOL. I'm curious now...
The vibrators drove a transformer, and there were capacitors in the circuit to prevent the contacts pitting. The size of these capacitors is critical both for efficiency and long contact life.
There were synchronous vibrators, too - they had two sets of contacts and rectified the current from the secondary of the transformer.
The replacement was essentially a solid state multivibrator with two hefty transistors, one could be home made pretty easily.
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You mean caps ACROSS the contacts?? I wish I kept my old GE.... that was a neat piece of history....
Develop, stop, fix.... wait.... where's my film?
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