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    Quote Originally Posted by benjiboy View Post
    I'm not an "Artist", just a photographer...
    Fallacious distinction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dr5chrome View Post
    ....collected or not, if you cant shoot with the camera, what's the point?
    that's easy!
    Just read Mustafa's comment:

    "I love plus 60 years old optics and I worship the designers for how much effort and intelligence and experiments they put in their design, ergonomics, glass research, optical technology, mechanism and tooling expertise....(snip)"

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    Quote Originally Posted by semi-ambivalent View Post
    Fallacious distinction.
    Ha ha.. that's how I feel about the "collector" vs "user" distinction. Who really cares (or, why should one care) what someone else does if it brings them enjoyment.

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    I am both... I like Barthes description of a camera "clocks for seeing". I like to handle old cameras with gears and knobs.
    I did part with my entire rangefinder "collection" I am a better SLR user. I did keep a Keiv and a Lietz 50mm f2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by semi-ambivalent View Post
    Fallacious distinction.
    I don't believe so, photography is a craft IMO which can approach art in few and rare occasions, everybody and his brother these days refer to themselves and each other as "Artists" when many of them are barely competent photographers.
    Last edited by benjiboy; 09-01-2011 at 06:20 AM. Click to view previous post history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by semi-ambivalent View Post
    Fallacious distinction.
    Obviously, you haven't seen some of my efforts.
    Dave

    "She's always out making pictures, She's always out making scenes.
    She's always out the window, When it comes to making Dreams.

    It's all mixed up, It's all mixed up, It's all mixed up."

    From It's All Mixed Up by The Cars

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    Quote Originally Posted by benjiboy View Post
    I don't believe so, photography is a craft IMO which can approach art in few and rare occasions, everybody and his brother these days refer to themselves and each other as "Artists" when many of them are barely competent photographers.
    Could they not be barely competent artists in their chosen medium?

    To say photography can "approach" art (Art) is to say there's an all-knowing authority, a gatekeeper, who ultimately decides what Art is; prices it too. Of course, this authority usually decides in favor of the Old World crafts of painting and sculpture because, well, how can you not, right? Often the authority is named something like "Leo Castelli". The authority is never wrong, except when something like the Starn twins comes along, or when Rembrandts that cost a museum millions suddenly seem to have a suspect provenance after all. Then the authority is nowhere to be found.

    I don't really care what your photographs look like. If they help you or others examine or explain your engagement with the world they *are* Art. Even the crappiest Winogrand, the weirdest Krims, say something to me, while a gorgeous six figure Ansel Adams is just a pretty postcard. (Except for Moonrise, the only great image he made that has people in it. That's why I keep a bouquet from that cemetery in my darkroom, as a fetish.)

    I get your remark about "Artists". Most of them are more worried about what shade of black to wear. But if the artist can produce crap then the craftsman can produce art.

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