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    Info on old largeformat camera with a 21cm heliar lens

    Hi my first post here, i recently purchased a large format camera on auction for a fair price. looked up the lens on the interweb but i couldnt find an exact value to it, its an Voigtländer Braunschweig Heliar 1:4,5 F=21 Cm No: 1040602.
    I am not planing on selling it anytime soon just good to know.

    It has no scratches or mold on it btw, in nice condition..

    Any help would be much appreciated thank you in advance

    btw here's a few pics on the actual camera. its a beauty


    ww.bukowskismarket.com/items/238514/images/1


    (just add a W at the beginning of the line, can't post links yet ...)
    Last edited by voit; 07-13-2011 at 07:10 AM. Click to view previous post history.

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    The camera is gorgeous--it looks like a half-plate tailboard. I'd say your Heliar is probably worth around $250-$300. On the positive side, it's in beautiful condition. However, the lack of a modern shutter makes it somewhat less valuable. All in all, a nice find!

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    Barry those shutters were made up until the early 1960's and are quite practical unlike Packard shutters as they have up to a 1/90th top speed, it would make a beneficial difference to the value.

    It's a tailboard camera, probably German.

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    Ok ty for your reply, i saw one a bit bigger a 30cm lens for 900 dollars maby it was a bit overpriced.

    The shutter is made in England i repaired it the otherday, quite fun to do. No markings on the camera thou maby German like one said here.

    Again thx for your replys , both of you : )

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    Ian-- I share your love for roller blind shutters, but they're severely limited in comparison to modern leaf shutters and there's a big price difference between barreled and (leaf) shuttered lenses. Throwing in a good condition roller blind shutter might add another $50-80 to a lens sale. There's a stronger demand for barrel lenses that cover 8x10 and larger formats and soft focus lenses, but a short Heliar in a barrel is more difficult to use--and the value reflects that.

    Voit--enjoy your camera. Did you get any film holders? I think it's kind of funny that the camera was listed as a "Sanderson & Hutter"--obviously transmuted from the Sanderson Shutter label. I wonder if Sanderson made roller blind shutters or they just re-badged the ubiquitous Thornton-Pickard shutters.

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    Thx yeah i noticed that to "sanderson and hutter" a bit surprising since its the most regarded action house here in sweden.

    But anyways the shutter is a "curtain" that runs up and down from one spool to another, or maby you didnt ask about that?

    And no, no film holders unfortunately:/ i made one thou myself yet to try it out.

    Any idea on when the camera was made?

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    It's a Thornton Pickard shutter fitted the wrong way around not that it'd make any difference, Houghton's may well have put their own Sanderson "Brand name" badges on them. Looks like it was a Front mounted shutter, these have a fixed panel both sides, the Between=Lens shutters (TP's name) usually have an interchangeable lens panel.

    It's definitely a German style "Reisekamera". They were still being made in Russia until quite recently by FDK, I'd guess most German production ceased in the late 1920's possibly early 30's as there was a faster move to 35mm and precision 120 film cameras than other countries.

    However if German production mirrored the UK a few may have been made up to the early 60's but I've not come across any. The last major UK manufacturer making tailboard cameras, Watson, ceased trading around 1958, although Gandolfi could still make them and they ceased camera production this year.

    One thing to remember was that the English style Tailboard cameras were all quite similar, many almost identical, and it was the same with the German Reisekamera's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry S View Post
    Ian-- I share your love for roller blind shutters, but they're severely limited in comparison to modern leaf shutters and there's a big price difference between barreled and (leaf) shuttered lenses. Throwing in a good condition roller blind shutter might add another $50-80 to a lens sale. There's a stronger demand for barrel lenses that cover 8x10 and larger formats and soft focus lenses, but a short Heliar in a barrel is more difficult to use--and the value reflects that.
    I was really thinking of this particular Camera/Lens combination. If fact with both my British plate cameras I have brass lenses and TP shutters and also early Compur shuttered lenses, a 1913 165mm CZJ Tessar on a hlaf plate camera.

    I suspect the issue with this particular Tailboard camera will be the film/plate holders. I've made a conversion plate for my Half plate camer that allows a modern 5x4 DDS to be used and a similar adaptor to fit a 6x7 Roll film back to my Quarter palte camera (both Houghton's). One advantage of these older cameras is the register is quite deep compared to modern holders, so it's relatively easy.

    Ian

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    Quote Originally Posted by voit View Post
    btw here's a few pics on the actual camera. its a beauty

    ww.bukowskismarket.com/items/238514/images/1

    (just add a W at the beginning of the line, can't post links yet ...)
    Eh... did we ever have limitations on that? I didn't know it... Well, anyway, here it is:

    http://www.bukowskismarket.com/items/238514/images/1

    Beautiful camera by the way...
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    A lot of information that's great just one more thing anybody happen to know the value of the whole camera as it is, maby i made a bargain or maby not :O

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