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    So some of us can think back to pre-Jessop's times and remember when Dixons was a photo chain, own brand cameras, enlargers etc, at it's height it sponsored the UK's Press photographer of the Year Awards, took over great names like Wallace Heaton, then they began selling end of line Hi-Fi & TV's.. . . . . . . . . .

    What's new Jessops is no longer a real player in the market place for serious photographers, and will go the same way as Dixons.

    Not that many years ago Jessop's prided themselves on their service, and offered all photographers professional or hobbyist excellent prices on all available products. Unfortunately under a new Chairman standards have slipped remakably quickly, to the point where they are they are now possibly thr worst retailer of photographic goods in the UK. Despite a huge catalogue of products.

    Perhaps I should add I've had business dealings with Jessop's (head office) and also had a few meetings with their ex-Chairman, both while he was at Jessops and after.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pentaxuser
    It may be my imagination but Jessops now seem to be staffed by personnel under 30 for whom film is an alien product
    Very true, but I have to say that those staff in my local Jessops (Plymouth) always bend over backwards to obtain materials for me if they possibly can and do seem to take in interest, albeit an historical one, in traditional products. Perhaps they just feel sorry for me - a poor old sod who shuffles in through their door asking for things their grandads told them about!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Miller
    To misquote Ralph, support the quality suppliers. If you have any dead daffs left in the garden, gather a bunch and leave them on a Jessops doorstep with a R.I.P. card.
    What a great idea! Guerrilla action! Go to your nearest Jessops and leave a cheap wreath hanging on their door with a card: 'In memoriam Jessops Photographic'.

    My main concern with what Jessops are doing/have done is that the general public will now be convinced there is no longer any such thing as film, and that can only be damaging to companies like Ilford, Fuji etc.


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    So they are destroying their own market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy K
    What a great idea! Guerrilla action! Go to your nearest Jessops and leave a cheap wreath hanging on their door with a card: 'In memoriam Jessops Photographic'.
    Interesting idea, I'd also suggest photocopying a page out of the OED for the 'Photography' section so they can work out what you mean .
    Quote Originally Posted by Andy K
    My main concern with what Jessops are doing/have done is that the general public will now be convinced there is no longer any such thing as film, and that can only be damaging to companies like Ilford, Fuji etc.
    Only problem is that most people don't even THINK about film or digital , they want a camera and they know digital things are good. I heard a guy in Jessops ask for a digital camera, that's all he knew, they could have sold him a Canon 5D or a jessops £50 P and S and he would have been happy either way.

    I did see one comment about this being good for the small independents - that will be the small independents Jessops and Dixons priced out of existence 20 years ago presumably. Isn't market forces a wonderful thing ? Problem is it tends to favour the lowest common denominator !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy K
    My main concern with what Jessops are doing/have done is that the general public will now be convinced there is no longer any such thing as film, and that can only be damaging to companies like Ilford, Fuji etc.
    I was asked for my advice on a camera, the person wanted x, y and z. They also wanted prints especially black and white prints. I offered to do their b+w dev and enlargements and we picked out a Nikon F65 plus zoom. They used a FM when in college so had a preference for Nikon.

    Into Jessops [Dublin] they go. Sales dude laughs when they ask to see the F65 in the cabinet, says film cameras are for old foggies. He asks why they want film and he counter argues vice each point they make. Unfortunatly I wasn’t there because none of his points would stand up. They end up with a digital Canon P+S and a dedicated printer, spending 3 times the amount. I get a great laugh when I see the 4x6 prints from this printer, I wouldn’t use them as a beer mat.

    In another shop [not Jessops], a sales guy told me that he got a verbal warning on his first week for pushing film cameras, he was told a digital camera was a sale that would be repeated every 12-18 months and to use his expression the demise of film is down to the greedy, the impressionable, the insecure and the impatient.

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    "Companies respond to customer demands. If we support them with our purchases, they will support us with their offerings. If we look for the cheapest deals and order online, we shouldn't be surprised if they close their doors. It's us, not them."


    Thats exactly the wrong way round in my book, and how do I give them business when they don't stock what I want. If Jessops want business from people carrying out film photography, they have to first demonstrate that they are worth it and to provide some sort of incentive not to buy on the internet/phone. Their failure to hold adequate stocks, failure to employ and train decent staff so they can converse sensibly with a photographer, and a decision to offer competitive prices only where a potential customer first finds a better deal elsewhere speaks volumes for their intent. If they can't be bothered then I'm absolutely right to give them as little business as possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Grant
    So some of us can think back to pre-Jessop's times and remember when Dixons was a photo chain, own brand cameras, enlargers etc, at it's height it sponsored the UK's Press photographer of the Year Awards, took over great names like Wallace Heaton, then they began selling end of line Hi-Fi & TV's.. . . . . . . . . .

    Yeah I remember Dixons...they werw staffed even then by spotty faced youths (they must have invented them) and their after sales service was crap.

    Stick with the good guys: Silverprint, Retro, Ilford, Fuji etc..



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    There will always be photographers for whom digital does not work. I am one of them. I have a very good digital slr which has sat in the cupboard since last summer. The slow deliberate way you have to work with large format makes me take better pictures and the style I prefer (long exposures) I can do on film in a way digital is incapable of (I tried). I am only a film user because I wanted to shoot panoramic - I always had a love for the shape. All my peers think I need a straight jacket - a 33 year old who went 'backwards' into film is almost unheard of.

    The fact is since no-one on the high street will show the new photography user what is good about using film, it must be up to us. We have to write in to high profile magazines (not specialist film mags) with our pictures and stories and get published in as many places as possible showing and telling what is good about our branch of photography. We should be offering to go to schools and colleges to show students what our cameras are capable of. Nothing beats digital propaganda better than cold hard facts - prints of exceptional quality that demand respect - so go show them what we can do!

    As for Jessops (Belfast), when I first started film, I left 4 120 roll films in for processing. They were 6x17cm. 1 month later (they were sent away for processing) 1 roll came back with drying marks, 2 came back with scores up one entire side where their rollers had obviously not been cleaned in addition they had been folded diagonally during transport, and only one picture of the final roll came back at all, all the shots of bluebell woods had mysteriosly evaporated before they reached the store. Don't go near them with a very large barge pole!

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    I gave up Jessops as a lost cause a while back - all sorts of reasons - I think they're too huge and too far gone to influence, if that's not being too defeatist, although I also think it is a shame, simply because they have such a presence on the high street. Staff there are quite capable of telling new photographers to buy digicams because 'film will be soon be unavailable' (well, it will be unavailable at Jessops). They've decided the market they're going for. The only branch still worth using for me is the one in New Oxford Street, but I haven't been there for a long time and even that could well have lost it's medium format/second-hand/darkroom bit by now.

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