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    Quote Originally Posted by ECS View Post
    Hello Analog Users,

    First off, Thank you for choosing Environmental Control Systems to be a part of your group. We are a 40+ year old Silver Recovery and Waste Disposal Company located throughout Canada with the Head Office in Barrie Ontario. As John Nanian mentioned we have established an agreement to Refine the silver from your Silver Magnet Cathodes with NO shipping Costs! Payment will be 10X the current Silver Price Per Pound less an $85 Refining Fee for Canadian Members.

    As an Example: if you provided us 5lbs of silver and the price of silver was 18USD we would pay you $180 per pound for 5lbs = $900. Subtract the $85 refining fee leaves a payment to you in the amount of $815!
    To be honest, I have seldom seen a more deceiving and ridiculous statement than this on APUG. I would qualify it as spam.

    1 lbs = +/-454 gram
    1 troy ounce = +/- 31 gram

    Thus 1 lbs = 454/31 = +/- 15 troy ounce!

    The ECS company, in a ridiculous calculation, only pays you "10x the price of 1 troy ounce of silver for each pound of silver", while 1 lbs or pound of silver is actually worth 15x times the price of 1 troy ounce of silver, as it is 15x times more silver based on the weight.

    This means this company is making a 50% profit on the bought silver, and even has the guts to charge you $85 refining costs. Now the 50% profit may be a "normal" profit in the branch, but to hide it by some ridiculously difficult calculation, is just deceit.

    By the way, current silver price = +/ $30,- per troy ounce (half a year ago still around $18,-), or almost $0.9 to $1 per gram, see graph for trend of the last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juan View Post
    After exposing my albumen prints, I wash them until the water runs clear. I believe, though I'm not sure, that what I am washing off is unexposed silver. Can this water be processed in the same way as fixer?
    juan
    i was asking this same questions
    because i may be making salt prints soon,
    and will have the same run-off.

    it has to be in some sort of fix solution from what i was told,
    so your hypo could be processed this way, but the water bath ...
    you could pour a super saturated salt solution in it and filter ( coffee filter )
    the silver precipitate. that is what a chemist told me when i asked him ....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco B
    Quote Originally Posted by ECS View Post
    Hello Analog Users,

    First off, Thank you for choosing Environmental Control Systems to be a part of your group. We are a 40+ year old Silver Recovery and Waste Disposal Company located throughout Canada with the Head Office in Barrie Ontario. As John Nanian mentioned we have established an agreement to Refine the silver from your Silver Magnet Cathodes with NO shipping Costs! Payment will be 10X the current Silver Price Per Pound less an $85 Refining Fee for Canadian Members.

    As an Example: if you provided us 5lbs of silver and the price of silver was 18USD we would pay you $180 per pound for 5lbs = $900. Subtract the $85 refining fee leaves a payment to you in the amount of $815!
    To be honest, I have seldom seen a more deceiving and ridiculous statement than this on APUG. I would qualify it as spam.

    1 lbs = +/-454 gram
    1 troy ounce = +/- 31 gram

    Thus 1 lbs = 454/31 = +/- 15 troy ounce!

    The ECS company, in a ridiculous calculation, only pays you "10x the price of 1 troy ounce of silver for each pound of silver", while 1 lbs or pound of silver is actually worth 15x times the price of 1 troy ounce of silver, as it is 15x times more silver based on the weight.

    This means this company is making a 50% profit on the bought silver, and even has the guts to charge you $85 refining costs. Now the 50% profit may be a "normal" profit in the branch, but to hide it by some ridiculously difficult calculation, is just deceit.

    By the way, current silver price = +/ $30,- per troy ounce (half a year ago still around $18,-), or almost $0.9 to $1 per gram, see graph for trend of the last year.

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    michael,

    on the ecs website it clearly states this:


    " ENVIRONMENTAL CONTROL SYSTEMS in agreement with John Nanian of the Analog Photography Users Group has agreed to accepted all Silver Magnet Cathode's from all Canada Wide APUG members for Silver Refining. We offer no cost shipping and a 90% payment of silver less refining fee. "

    it is on the page after you submit a comment + information for pick-up ...
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    Sorry, I over-reacted in my first post. Although I still think the ECS text is a bit confusing, I should have used other words in the post, one of my bad mood days, partly because of being limited by the continuing price increases in the analog world...
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    thanks for bringing these concerns up marco ..
    i spoke with trevor at ecs and he is will update the
    portal's front page and this thread to be more clear ...

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    This might be a dumb question:

    I've been reversal processing black and white negatives for a while. The bleach I use is a Potassium Permanganate / Sodium bisulfate bleach. WOuld the magnet recover the silver from that bleach or is the silver from this bleach unrecoverable? I've been taking it to a local chemical dropoff site, but I'd be interested in using your magnet if possible.
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    hi existing light

    i spoke with the manufacturer,
    and they said as long as you are able
    to do something to lower to ph of your solution
    to about ph 3 you can use the magnet.

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    John,
    Does this apply to alkaline fixers as well?

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    hi barry

    if it is is b/w fixer with no bleach in it, there are no worries,
    but if it is mixed with bleach for color or wild alt process stuff
    you have to target your ph to be about 3 ... i hope this makes sense ..
    i don't do anything with bleaches so i don't really know if it makes sense or not

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