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    Barry- don't know if it will help, but I'd be interested in getting sets of knobs and gears, even though the other parts on the camera wouldn't be compatible with what you're doing.


    Quote Originally Posted by barryjyoung
    Well, the most recent tabulation of your responses indicate that there is an overwhelming majority of people interested in 7x17. 36% of responders want that format. 8% want 8x20 and everybody else wants something less popular. I am amazed. If I had known this in the beginning I would have designed a 7x17 first. Thank goodness most of the parts for the 8x10 will work without modification on the 7x17.

    There is still an amazing amount of work to do before I release kits. I am currently submitting requests for quotes to machine and fabrication companies all over the Greater Seattle area. It is a huge investment to make the first run of parts and very inexpensive after the first run. You have to pay for the company to make custom tooling, program the parts to run on their CNC machines and let me tell you, brass aint cheap in big pieces. I have had to completely re-draw all the drawings for the detail parts (which is why you haven't seen much of me lately) to make it easier for the vendors to program. I finally have all of the materials sourced which was a WAY bigger job than I originally anticipated. Now I am working on finishing the first 8x10 camera and writing the assembly instructions. Then there is getting a business license and registering with the state so they can tax me to death.

    The author now climbs to the top of the soap box weary with fatigue.

    That reminds me, when you buy something, anything, just think for a moment about why the price seems high. Self employment tax is right around 25%. That means that whatever the guy makes after investing his life in getting a project like this off the ground isn't all his. A quarter of every dollar in profits goes to some state agency. Ouch! That is assuming there are any profits at all and also assuming that someone buys your product. So the only alternative is to raise the price the customer has to pay in order to hopefully get something for all of this effort. In addition there is a myriad of other smaller taxes to go with this bureaucratic insult.

    The author dismounts the soap box feeling somewhat better but no richer.

    Thank you for letting me vent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenacingTourist
    I'm still pretty new to all this and wondered what makes the 7x17 format more appealing than other ULF formats like 4x10 and 12x20?

    Thanks in advance for the education
    There are currently four different 4x10 cameras on the market. Plus, as David mentioned there are ways to shoot two 4x10 images on a sheet of 8x10 film without resorting to a dedicated 4x10 camera. So, probably not a big market for a 4x10 kit (although, if it's priced right, I'm sure it would sell).

    7x17 is more appealing to those who want to produce contact prints directly from in-camera negatives (no need to scan the film and make an enlarged digital negative). This assumes you are shooting black and white. There are no color films currently available in 7x17, nor are there any 14x17 color films that cam be sliced down to 7x17. For color, 4x10 makes more sense. Any film that's available in 8x10 can be sliced in half (or shot two-up 4x10 in-camera), which makes 4x10 the largest practical "banquet" format for shooting color. This is what I use it for. I can scan my 4x10 transparencies on an inexpensive desktop scanner and produce very nice 12x30 prints on an affordable desktop inkjet printer. And, since this is APUG, I will point out that it is possible to make conventional wet darkroom prints from 4x10 originals using an 8x10 enlarger. A 4x10 outfit is much more portable, but if your goal is contact printing in some form, 7x17 makes a lot of sense.

    Compared to 12x20, a 7x17 outfit is much smaller and lighter. Also, there are a lot more lenses capable of covering 7x17 than 12x20. I like the 12x20 aspect ratio and think it's a beautiful format, just bigger, heavier, more expensive and harder to work with than 7x17. A 7x17 camera and holders looks downright petite next to a 12x20.

    So, my vote on this one is with the majority. I'd love to see a 7x17 kit. I already have my 4x10 for color. I have a nice selection of lenses capable of covering 7x17 and two holders on the way. They only thing I'm lacking is the 7x17 camera.

    Kerry

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheFlyingCamera
    Barry- don't know if it will help, but I'd be interested in getting sets of knobs and gears, even though the other parts on the camera wouldn't be compatible with what you're doing.
    Also, do you still plan to offer parts for those who wish to design/assemble their own cameras? Specifically, I'd like to be able to purchase a complete 7x17 back (or at the very least the metal hardware) and assemble the rest of the camera myself. While a 7x17 field camera kit would be great (and based on the response here, would sell quite well), I plan to use an ARCA-SWISS monorail as the basis for my 7x17 camera. I did something similar with my 4x10 and am very pleased with the result. So, rather than make/buy another entirely separate camera for 7x17, I'm just looking for a few bits and pieces to super-size my current 4x10.

    Kerry

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    Quote Originally Posted by kthalmann
    Also, do you still plan to offer parts for those who wish to design/assemble their own cameras?
    Kerry
    Kerry and Flying Camera,,,yes, parts will be available individually. We are still waiting on quotes from the sheet metal people, so I do not know yet what the prices look like for certain, but an educated guess says they will be affordable. I will make any of the parts available to those doing modifications as they come into stock.
    Barry Young
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    Barry,

    Thanks for the response. It's good to know the bits and pieces will be available for people like me who like to dabble in camera building/modification but don't have the skills, tools or patience to build the whole darn thing ourselves.

    Please chack your email. I sent you a message concerning your 8x10 camera kit.

    Kerry

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    Wood film holder?

    4x10 or 11x14 Camera in Art Deco design.

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    Here's another with a serious intrest in 7x17. I had been thinking of getting a beat up e-bay special 8x10 just for the gears and tracks. I'm handy enough with a table saw and hand planes. To be able to buy a kit with a good bellows and un-stripped gears is like Christmas in Vermont. There is no standard film holder, time to talk with Sandy King.

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    Isn't it time for an adjustable Universal film holder? The 4x10 format looks interesting and is an economical alternative for panoramic images. Vertical and/or Horizontal?

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    Voila. The new 13x18 back is ready and working. Centimeters that is. I've got enough holders to empty a box of 25 sheets without reloading.

    My next task is to get hands on a reeeeaaaaaaaally big filmholder but they don't seem to show up in Europe that much.
    I'd like to to 11x14" or 7x17" when I'm retired.

    Could this be an 11x14" film holder (eBay link)?


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    Last edited by argus; 12-22-2005 at 04:22 AM. Click to view previous post history.

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