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    Planning the next FREE workshop in Zion...

    The dates initially set were December 5 - 9.

    I am wondering if these dates are good or would it be better to have the workshop between Christmas and New Year, or even better in January?

    Personally I would love to be in Zion just after a winter storm. Snow and ice would help add emotional impact to images - instead of the usually "nice" shots.

    Since these free workshops require some participation by everyone please post your ideas and preferences here.

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    The later in the year the more likely there will be snow. Jan-Feb may be a good option.

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    Historically Zion only rarely gets snow. If by chance a big freak storm hits here, it also will hit in Vegas. That tells you how often we get snow. As to ice, again this is not a common thing. If we have a big cold snap, it is very likely. How often do those happen right now? Even with all the rain and such that caused destruction in the area last January, it didn't freeze in Zion. IF it should occur, it will happen in Feb. or March. January is the month we most often get the strange mid winter thaw. Two of the best times to be at Zion are in late March when the leaves and spring flowers are popping out. The shuttle that runs up through the main canyon starts mid March, which makes it a pain to do any large format photography. You have to ride the bus with all of your equipment, and are limited as to where they will stop. From there you will have to hike to where ever you want to go. The other time to be there is right now. The fall colors are spectacular. Which should be over in about a week to 10 days. After Nov. 1st the buses stop running so you are able to drive with your equipment to where you want to go. Those two times are also when the sun is low enough to have the magical light.

    The two places within a 2 hour drive from Zion, are the ones that get the snow. Bryce Canyon and the North Rim of the Grand Canyon. Those usually do not have the big snow falls until after the first of the year.

    BTW the road out to Grafton has been paved half way. Sad, the old dirt road was more quait and made for better pictures. Nothing like extreme ruts and washboard.
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    Last year in Zion...

    Last year in Zion I felt the light / setting was too "pretty" and subsequently did not shoot anything of value.

    Earlier this year I saw images shot by a friend of mine during late December / early January in Zion. These images showed iced over streams, with imbedded leaves, partial reflections through melted areas. The Canyon looked incredible.

    Early light - before sunrise was fantastic. Therefore I decided to see if anyone wanted to move the workshop a little later in the year or early next year.

    Of course you may be able to shoot great images in Zion any time of year. Wondering what the rest of you think?

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    To make it all official, I just got the Wife Seal of Approval. Last year I was even able to get my work to give me the days off instead of paying to send me to some dumb marketing conference. I'm sure with a precident like that they'll do it again

    Anyone want to share a hotel room? I don't snore.

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    Aggie has some good points.....to be free of the shuttle is very important...

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    Tentative dates...

    1. December 5 - 9

    2. December 26 - 30

    3. January 9 - 13

    4. January 16 - 20

    5. January 23 - 27


    What do you think?


    Post your thoughts here so we can proceed!

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    Jan 23-27

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    Dec 5-9 or
    Jan 16-20
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    http://www.zion.national-park.com/weather.htm

    Gives you the general weather conditions and temps. What you need to remember is that it has been warmer than usual for the last few years. Yes you can find Ice. Strap on your backpack and get ready to hike. Those trails have an elevation change of about 1500 feet in about 1 to 6 miles depending on which trail you take. The west rim trail would be the best bet, going through refrigerator canyon. It has a stream running in it along the trail. Problem is if it is icy, it will be closed by the park service. The virgin is a river, not a stream. It is still running higher than normal from all the moisture last year. It gets cold enough to freeze, but the river doesn't. There are small marshy pools that do freeze overnight, but you have to know where they are. Again strap on the hiking boots and backpack and be prepared to go through mud to get to them. As to it being constant with those freezing temps? Nope. It is a crap shoot as to the sustained temps. This is the desert. It varies wildly. Think Vegas temps. How often does it snow and get ice in Vegas? The Kolob section of Zion is the place that does get cold. It is nearly 6000 feet high. If it is really icy, that road gets closed. So again strap on the back pack and the hiking boots and be prepared to hike. That hike will be a long one.

    One photographer who is a resident of Springdale (lived there for the last 20 years) also says it is rare to see the snow and ice the last few years. You have to be in the right place at the right time. Mother nature doesn't go by our schedules. So if it is Ice you want, it may not and most likely won't happen.

    Make sure you deal with the park service and pay the fees I paid for the workshop last year.
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