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    Quote Originally Posted by brucemuir View Post
    Does Champion make the color chemistry also?
    I've not read anything that distinguishes between color and black and white. Just that Kodak subcontracted its photo chemistry manufacture to Champion several years ago.

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    Brian, I did not post Xtol is on its way out, just that B&H is not stocking it right now and do people have insight as to why? If it is on its way out, I figure people would want to stock up rather than find out the hard way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Cole View Post
    It doesn't much matter. The formula, or something close enough as to work just like it, is no secret and is available from several other sources.
    Ilford DD-X apparently gives the same results, although they are chemically different of X-tol.

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    I think DD-X is more like T-Max developer (which is excellent and I use it.)

    Here are some other ascorbic acid based film developers:

    http://www.freestylephoto.biz/747716...oper-to-make-5

    http://www.freestylephoto.biz/70022-...e-1?cat_id=301

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Cole View Post
    I think DD-X is more like T-Max developer (which is excellent and I use it.)

    Here are some other ascorbic acid based film developers:

    http://www.freestylephoto.biz/747716...oper-to-make-5

    http://www.freestylephoto.biz/70022-...e-1?cat_id=301
    The Eco-Pro product is the exact same product as Xtol so I'm told, chances are made by Champion too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Bill View Post
    The Eco-Pro product is the exact same product as Xtol so I'm told, chances are made by Champion too.
    Bill:

    The MSDS information linked to on the Freestyle site for the Eco-Pro product seems very different (in terms of Sodium Sulfite at least) then the MSDS for X-Tol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MattKing View Post
    Bill:

    The MSDS information linked to on the Freestyle site for the Eco-Pro product seems very different (in terms of Sodium Sulfite at least) then the MSDS for X-Tol.
    Looks like I got my information wrong.
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    I maybe totally off here but if I recall correctly Kodak stopped making all their chemistry years ago. I think it was Champion Chemicals that has made all of Kodak chemistry under contrast since then. When Kodak went bankrupt they owed Champion a lot of money. Perhaps until Kodak can prove they will pay Champion for any Xtol they make and give to Kodak they will not produce any more.

    Again I know nothing. This is just a guess. Xtol is too nice and popular for me to think that Kodak would actually kill it. But then again Kodak had done a lot of stupid things in the last few years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brianmquinn View Post
    I maybe totally off here but if I recall correctly Kodak stopped making all their chemistry years ago. I think it was Champion Chemicals that has made all of Kodak chemistry under contrast since then. When Kodak went bankrupt they owed Champion a lot of money. Perhaps until Kodak can prove they will pay Champion for any Xtol they make and give to Kodak they will not produce any more.

    Again I know nothing. This is just a guess. Xtol is too nice and popular for me to think that Kodak would actually kill it. But then again Kodak had done a lot of stupid things in the last few years.

    I would start worrying if other major retailers start de-listing Xtol from their product line ups. Until then, it looks to be just a B&H issue.
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