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    Photokina 2012: Fuji Neopan 400 is back

    4x5 and 120 won't come off the same master roll as the film base is different. Sheet film is much thicker and stiffer.

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    Just for information, Fuji Neopan 400 (135) is now available in the following European based (German) shops that I know of:

    fotoimpex.de
    nordfoto.de
    macodirect.de

    I don't think I've ever seen Neopan 400 on fotoimpex before, so it seems to be clear that this is the reintroduction coming into effect.

    Still want it in 120 though.....beating myself up because I didn't buy a medium format camera before 2010 when it was cut :/
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    I've been around this place long enough to know how many "return of X film" wild goose chase threads there are, but this one is just killing me. All I want for Christmas is my Neopan 400 in 120. Bah humbug.
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    Thanks Helinophoto,
    I too saw it available in fotoimpex.de recently.
    Kudos to Fuji for bringing back Neopan 400 in 135.

    Quote Originally Posted by 36cm2 View Post
    I've been around this place long enough to know how many "return of X film" wild goose chase threads there are, but this one is just killing me. All I want for Christmas is my Neopan 400 in 120. Bah humbug.
    Are You the "goose chase threads" police? or You just want to write something, not to read..?

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    Quote Originally Posted by georg16nik View Post
    Thanks Helinophoto,
    I too saw it available in fotoimpex.de recently.
    Kudos to Fuji for bringing back Neopan 400 in 135.



    Are You the "goose chase threads" police? or You just want to write something, not to read..?

    Georg16nik, I'm very happy that you can once again stock your trollhöhle with 135. I simply want Neopan 400 in 120 back. Several posts on this thread suggested 120 was back in production. I called B&H, Freestyle and Adorama and they all said they've heard nothing to that end.
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    No, 120 is not back although the reasons given for the return of 135 suggests that there is now no longer any production reason why. Unfortunately our Photokina reporter was unable to find out why 120 has not been brought back. I can only assume it is due to commercial reasons

    Very frustrating. All we want is simple answers to simple questions posed to the Fuji people in this case and all we seem able to rely on in terms of the "big three" is Ilford to respond with answers. Pity it can't deal with Fuji matters. It should offer its services to Fuji as PR consultants on how to treat customers better


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    Quote Originally Posted by pentaxuser View Post
    No, 120 is not back although the reasons given for the return of 135 suggests that there is now no longer any production reason why. Unfortunately our Photokina reporter was unable to find out why 120 has not been brought back. I can only assume it is due to commercial reasons

    Very frustrating. All we want is simple answers to simple questions posed to the Fuji people in this case and all we seem able to rely on in terms of the "big three" is Ilford to respond with answers. Pity it can't deal with Fuji matters. It should offer its services to Fuji as PR consultants on how to treat customers better
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    Indeed, Ilford really knows how to keep the masses well informed.

    Love their papers too btw ^^
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    Quote Originally Posted by Helinophoto View Post
    Indeed, Ilford really knows how to keep the masses well informed.

    Love their papers too btw ^^
    This is exactly why when I decided to attempt B&W again (I'm a color transparency shooter primarily) I bought Ilford rather than Kodak or Fuji. Ilford has kept the masses well informed, and Simon Galley even said he'd look into how feasible it would be to reintroduce a true IR film. To put it simply, Ilford/Harman listens to their customers. Kodak and Fuji would do well to hire better people to do their PR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pentaxuser View Post
    Unfortunately our Photokina reporter was unable to find out why 120 has not been brought back. I can only assume it is due to commercial reasons
    Yes, economic reasons. The 35mm market is much bigger than the 120 market. And the re-introduction is not without risks. Because no one at Fuji exactly knows
    - How loyal are the former Neopan 400 users to the film: Will they use it again?
    - How much of the former Neopan 400 users have already switched to other films / brands? Will they come back?
    - How much of new users / beginners will try the film?

    Therefore they have to be cautious and minimize the risks. If the 35mm re-introduction will be a success, then they probably will think about 120, too.
    If the re-introduction fails, well, no need to further think about 120.

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    Thanks for that. Of course the 3 questions with their attendant risks that Fuji has to ask itself when considering 120 also applies to 35mm. The answers to the three questions you pose above might have been: "No", "no" and "none" and yet it has taken the chance of re-starting it in 35mm . I don't know the economics of re-starting the 35mm film but I do wonder whether a "let's wait and see" approach about starting the 120 makes sense.

    It might have been sensible to re-start both together to send a message to Fuji users that Fuji was still into B&W film for the long term

    I suspect that if Ilford had been faced with the same problem as Fuji and had then solved the issue concerning the banned material it would have re-launched both together.

    Ilford had to rise like the mythical phoenix out of the ashes when it was bought out and there must have been a great temptation to re-start cautiously but it sent out a loud and clear message that it was committed and it seems to have worked.

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