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    Btw got some from BH....one'a these days I'll shoot it it says made in EU fwiw....could be Foma, Harmon....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Grant View Post
    We could do without these fraudsters trading on others names.
    I don't mind that, that's just marketing.
    But we could do without multiple copies of different films with the same name in the Massive Dev Chart with the disclaimer "Data is taken from a previous version of this film. Starting point time may differ." cos, you know, that's useful.
    An awful lot of electrons were terribly inconvenienced in the making of this post.

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    Here is the data sheet from Agfaphoto for the old version: http://www.agfaphoto.com/appc/_uploa...et_F_PF_E4.pdf
    Maybe it will help compare these films (to see what it is not)?
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    I found this: http://forum.fotoimpex.de/index.php?...214#entry16214
    It's in German, but you could use Google translate.

    Mirko Boeddecker (from Adox-Fotoimpex) states clearly they didn't make this film:
    "Über die Hintergründe der Produktion von Wettbewerbsmaterial kann ich keine Angaben machen. Wir stellen den Film nicht her."

    Translated: "I can not comment on the reasons behind the production of competitive material. We do not produce the film."

    And in this post here on APUG in an other thread about this film, he said: "No it is not. I think I stated earlier in this (or in another) thread that we do not manufacture the new AgfaPhoto APX. Mirko" (He was asked if it was the same film als the new Adox CHS II film)
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    Simon said that in respect of all products manufactured by Harman Technology. It was a company decision when they took over the previous management in 2005.
    See when the Kentmere films were launched 4 years ago: http://www.apug.org/forums/viewpost.php?p=741923

    Ian
    If you think of them as like Jessops, than you won't go wrong. Like Jessops, they only put their label on existent products: the Agfaphoto Vista range is Fujicolor by another name. When you think that the Precisa CT is Fuji Provia 100, albeit an older generation and costs a lot less, than I am thankful that Lupus is still in the business.

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    Thank you! I've been waiting to see AG prices for the APX 400 as the only other British retailer that has it, Discount Films Direct, is asking £4.30 a roll. See: http://www.discountfilmsdirect.co.uk/acatalog/Agfa.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ricardo Miranda View Post
    Andy
    Simon said that in respect of all products manufactured by Harman Technology. It was a company decision when they took over the previous management in 2005.
    See when the Kentmere films were launched 4 years ago: http://www.apug.org/forums/viewpost.php?p=741923
    True. But they also make emulsions for others, which can be branded as their customers see fit.
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    Thanks Ricardo. However, it doesn't mean you and I couldn't approach Harmon and pay them to coat Ricardo-Andy 400. No? I see no reason to believe Agfa (Lupus Imaging) went to Harmon, Foma, and others to get a bid on the APX 400 emulsion, which they own the rights to.

    If I buy bulk jelly beans at the grocery store, I've no care in the world if they are made by Cadberry, Mars, Jelly Belly, etc....

    Someone get some of this stuff shot and dev, let's see what we've got myself included, I've two rolls in the freezer waiting for the right light...prob gonna do one in HC110 and one in Diafine....

    Will post when done...gott'a test the new goods
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    Quote Originally Posted by zsas View Post
    He said Ilford doesn't rebrand. He didn't say Harmon (the parent company) doesn't rebrand. Harmon has brands like Kentmere and Ilford....
    Yes we all say Ilford when we really mean, as I did, Harman. Since the new company arose out of the ashes of Ilford's demise in 2005 it is actually Harman. However Ilford and Harman in this context are interchangeable so I am unclear what the difference is between his saying that your quote above "Ilford doesn't re-brand. He didn't say Harmon ( the parent company) doesn't re-brand". I am equally unclear how Harman is now the parent company of Ilford

    We use the word Ilford because it is a convenient way to refer to Harman but there is no separate Ilford company unless you know something I don't.

    I think that Simon Galley had better gives us an unequivocal statement on whether Kentmere 400 is the same film as the new Agfa 400 to avoid the impression that he uses "legalise-type" language to make a statement which, it appears you think, doesn't lie but doesn't truthfully explain what Ilford's/Harman's position actually is.

    Maybe I have misunderstood your statement but if I believed that Ilford, whoever they are, do one thing but the more shadowy parent company(Harman)can do another then I would have difficulty believing any statement that Simon Galley made

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    There's nothing wrong with Harmon making film for a company. They just have an internal policy, that if they do, it's not their identical brew....it might be up to the customer to supply their recipe....nothing wrong w that in my book...happens all the time....think I saw some kind of documentary a few years ago, a manufacturer of candy corns also made generic brands but the recipes were not identical. They might use their own special "honey, corn syrup, etc"....how's this not possible for Harmon to do?
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    Just one thing, Harmon make beer. Harman are the photographic people

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