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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinP View Post
    Just one thing, Harmon make beer.
    And sometimes that helps to make better photos as well...



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    Thomas is absolutely right. Harman/Ilford do coatings under contract as you yourself suggested. Nice name for a film! lol
    Just look at Rollei RPX which is coated at Mobberley. And they are different from any Ilford/Kentmere film, even if it is only by a few atoms here and there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheToadMen View Post
    Here is the data sheet from Agfaphoto for the old version: http://www.agfaphoto.com/appc/_uploa...et_F_PF_E4.pdf
    Maybe it will help compare these films (to see what it is not)?

    That Agfaphoto was no company yet but just a trade name Agfa had started to use scarcely in connection with their consumer activities.
    With the sale of that department it became as well a trade name as a company name.



    Quote Originally Posted by pentaxuser View Post
    ...but if I believed that Ilford, whoever they are, do one thing but the more shadowy parent company(Harman)can do another...
    There is no parent company. IlfordPhoto is just a trade name used for the silver-halide activities of Harman.
    Last edited by AgX; 09-23-2013 at 07:01 PM. Click to view previous post history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zsas View Post
    Agfa (Lupus Imaging)
    Agfa is a company and has nothing to do with Lupus Imaging.
    Agfa Photo is a brand name which is used by Lupus Imaging.

    Is it that hard?
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    AgfaPhoto is also a company. (AgfaPhoto Holding)

    And concerning those AgfaPhoto branded films it is not clear whether AgfaPhoto is responsible for them and Lupus Imaging only serving as distributor.
    Or whether this is a sole Lupus business and AgfaPhoto Holding only licencing that brand name.

    I would not go as far as Ian and speak of fraudsters. But that all is a shady business.


    (Actually that shady thing started already with the shady sale of that consumer business by Agfa in 2004...)

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    Can I make a request? Can we end all this APX-old-vs-new-vs-Lupus-vs-Kentmere.....

    Every thread that ever mentions APX (100 or 400), goes down this complex path of bankruptcy, licensing, trademarks and the whole 9 yards....

    Any way we can get back to center and just accept whatever Lupus Imaging is doing, is their deal....

    Let's let the pictures speak for themselves

    I spent $6.29 a roll, seems a bit high, but, if it is magic-film(doubtful), well let's give a high five to Lupus for doing a good job.



    When Tri-X is $4.49 a roll*, APX 400 has a massive barrier from the start.....



    *yeah I know Arista has a rebrand for less, but let's presume that supply is going to dry up eventually....
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    Quote Originally Posted by AgX View Post
    Two side nores:

    There is no parent company. IlfordPhoto is just a trade name used for the silver-halide activities of Harman.
    My point exactly. It was just that zsas seemed to believe that there is a parent company called Harman and as long as it doesn't state that that it doesn't re-brand a Ilford produced film with another name then we cannot conclude that Agfa 400 isn't in fact Kentmere 400

    I take Simon Galley at his word that Ilford/Harman does not simply re-brand one of its own films for another client but others here may not.

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    I believe Simon was right that Harman doesn't rebrand it's film

    Though, I do believe that Harman does produce film for others, which might be very similar to their own product but it is very different than "rebranded". Rebranded is merely doing a run of Kentmere and midway-thru-the-coating changing to have "APX 400 Agfa" burned into the edge marks. I believe Simon when he says they don't do that. However, for Simon to admit that they (Harman) make some Lomo, APX, etc....would violate the non-disclosure Harman has with its customers....why does anyone think he would do that? He'd be out of a job and prob facing legal issues for doing so....

    Why on earth do we need to debate Harman when were talking APX? Seems senseless to me....
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    Thanks for the pictures of the box. I have a few questions: what is the expiry date and batch number if there is one?
    If you could take a pic of the side with the expiry date, that would be appreciated. Oh, and what colour is the canister or tube?
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    Here ya go:
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